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Feb 26, 2010 7:33 AM

Element-14 on Wikipedia

Hi

Just to let everybody know…If you search for Facebook on Wikipedia, you will find an long article on the Social Network etc…If you search for Element 14 on Wikipedia you will learn everything on Silicon but unfortunately nothing on the first community dedicated to Electronic Design Engineers. So, if someone would like to write an article and post it on Wikipedia it could be interesting for promoting Element -14 community Cheers

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    1. Jul 5, 2010 12:58 PM (in response to Crozemarie)
    Wikipedia is corrupt

    Why?

    Wikipedia is by morons for morons.

    That's why you find an article there on just about any private company. But you would not be able to make your own input there, especially if it is criticism of the subject. Maybe the administrators even get paid for corruption, for placement of advertisement and protection of it.

     

    They self indulge in being a community of editors. They select morons into their ranks, and exclude anything sensible. There are many such rotten supposedly public indices. - "dmoz.org" is another example.

    In fact they are controlled by a mob. That's a proper name for their administrators.

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    2. Jul 6, 2010 5:09 AM (in response to Andrew)
    Re: Wikipedia is corrupt

    I use Wikipedia on a daily basis and find it very informative, I do hope that doesnt make me a moron Andrew

     

    Agree that a page for element14 would be useful. ill keep an eye out for any updates... although I now know a lot more about Silicon!

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    3. Oct 4, 2010 4:29 PM (in response to DonaldMiller)
    Wikipedia is corrupt

    What you find useful on wikipedia is entirely your own business.
    The fact that it is made for morons does not preclude smart people from accessing it and from sourcing their delusions from it. It is not an exclusive club. The same goes for television. It is mostly dumb, but many smart people may watch it... and gradually degrade...

     

    You have missed my point. I was not only generalizing. I also wrote examples: you can't enter smart content in wikipedia, and you can't change the corrupt ways of their self proclaimed administrators, once such administrators hijack the system.

     

    Common sense is just not there. They create stupid rules of exclusion, then they hide behind them, stubbornly repeating rubbish and diverting discussion into nonsense. They refuse to see any way to change the rules.

     

    I talk from experience.

     

    Your experience is different. So be it. You only read wikipedia. You do not try to change it, to contribute, or to question it. You just consume it. You find it useful. OK, so you are most probably a moron.
    Please do not feel bad about it. It would be bad, if you were a malicious moron.

     

    I do not find anything useful on wikipedia
    Maybe I would, if I were looking for some reading fudge, fillage, jokes, and entertainment...

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    4. Jul 29, 2010 2:56 AM (in response to Crozemarie)
    Re: Element-14 on Wikipedia

    If you look at this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Element14, you'll see, that it has been deleted twice for the same reason: the article that was there did not put any credible claim of significance or importance of this community. In layman's terms, what this means is that the articles written there were crap and did not convince moderators that the Element-14 community was important enough to be placed on Wikipedia.

     

    It only takes to write a good article for it to be accepted. The reason why Facebook article is there, is that it's well written, with multiple references and multiple claims of (rather major) significance, for example.

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    5. Jul 29, 2010 7:50 AM (in response to deemoowoor)
    Re: Element-14 on Wikipedia

    Guys,

     

    Sites like Element-14 are competitors for Wikipedia, i can understand why there can be no link from 1 site to the other.

    I don't even see the need for the link, probably the guys from Wikimedia had the same conclusion (they are extremely biased!).

     

    Best regards, Enrico Migchels

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    6. Jul 29, 2010 8:36 AM (in response to enrico.migchels)
    Re: Element-14 on Wikipedia

    LOL, what?! Can you back up your claims somehow? There is a pretty damn good reason for an article about Element14 not being on Wikipedia. It's well-documented on the website itself (as much as it deserves credit anyway, since two attempts at writing a description ended up disapproved by the moderators...).

     

    I hope these Wikipedia bashers are not representative of the whole Element14 community, because I really hoped for a more constructive and rational one, when joining it....

     

    Judging from the website's structure, the only kind of community-type resource Element14 could be competing would be something like Experts Exchange, Stack Overflow and AvrFreaks, but aimed at electronics engineers.

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    7. Jul 29, 2010 8:31 AM (in response to deemoowoor)
    Re: Element-14 on Wikipedia

    Andrej,

     

    We have to face that Wikipedia does not allow to link to other websites... They make up the rules, I can fully relate to that. Maybe we also have to stop the discussion about sites like Wikipedia :-)

    altough I visit the wikipedia site quite often. I believe that their knowledge base is somewhat broader than my brain is offering me ;-)

     

    Best regards, Enrico Migchels

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    8. Jul 29, 2010 9:01 AM (in response to enrico.migchels)
    Re: Element-14 on Wikipedia
    We have to face that making unsubstantiated claims never helps a discussion.
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    9. Jul 29, 2010 8:50 AM (in response to enrico.migchels)
    Re: Element-14 on Wikipedia
    Sorry, duplicate
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    10. Jul 29, 2010 9:01 AM (in response to deemoowoor)
    Re: Element-14 on Wikipedia
    Andrej,
    Just read on the Wikisite: rejected article because 'articles about a web site, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject'.
    Element14 as a web site is not intesting to post, you can only post content...
    Best regards, Enrico Migchdels
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    11. Jul 29, 2010 9:32 AM (in response to enrico.migchels)
    Re: Element-14 on Wikipedia

    Well, read this again. What it says is that it's OK to write articles about websites, but these articles must indicate the importance of said web-sites. This is why Facebook, LiveJournal, Last.fm and thousands of other web-site articles are there. They indicate, that the website (or actually somekind of web service in a general sense) being described is important and is worth to be known about.

     

    So, all it takes to make the article about Element14 to stay there, is to write a decent article that would somewhere in the text say something like: Element14 has a rapidly-growing community of N users from various fields in the electronic engineering field [citation needed -> get the numbers of users and related statistics published]. The web site is designed to facilitate active discussions about all electronic engineering and embedded development questions using modern web-based technology. Features include forums, personal blogs, document exchange, ...

     

    It's so easy, I'm really surprised it hasn't been done right from the start.

     

    Maybe before bashing Wikipedia, you should have made some decent research about it first? I mean things like learning the basic rules which Wikipedia editors should follow?..

     

    BTW, you definitely don't want to write this: http://www.element-14.com/community/docs/DOC-12064 on the Wikipedia page. This will definitely be speedily deleted from it, once a moderator sees it.

     

    Doesn't Element14 have moderators, too? Did you carefully read all the rules? Well, same code of conduct (probably stricter) is expected on Wikipedia, too.

     

    All in all, I see no reason to bash Wikipedia because of your own failure. Wikipedia's rules aren't that hard to comply with. Sometimes there are controversies, because, well, Wikipedia's community is really big and people's judgements vary. This topic shows it well, too. But I see, that mostly this same thing makes Wikipedia a very valuable knowledge resource and a research startpoint.

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    12. Jul 29, 2010 9:35 AM (in response to deemoowoor)
    Re: Element-14 on Wikipedia

    Andrei,

     

    You have a lot of opinions, you're allowed to.. :-)

     

    I'm certainly no Wikipedia basher, I don't even see the point in that.

     

    Best regards, Enrico

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    13. Jul 29, 2010 9:53 AM (in response to enrico.migchels)
    Re: Element-14 on Wikipedia

    Enrico,

     

    Where do you not see the point? In the existence of Wikipedia?..

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    14. Oct 2, 2010 9:46 AM (in response to deemoowoor)
    Wikipedia is corrupt nevertheless

    Wikipedia is teeming with "articles" about dubious sites, shabby content, duplication of existing web pages, concealed advertisement, links.

     

    The talk about rules on wikipedia is a joke. They do not exist in reality. Some empty words are marked as rules. But nobody implements even them. It is a mere and pure dictatorship by the few persons, who hijacked it.
    Some administrators are actually the same person. But it does not matter: whether there are 200 administrators, or just 3 posing as 100. The essence is the same.

     

    The main rule of Wikipedia is an unwritten one: defend any rubbish, which is already there; fend off any sensible content or suggestions, which are coming in.
    The trick is to get the shabby content in, somehow. Afterwards it may live forever. Administrators will simply cry fowl every time you do any correction. Then they will delete your correction and delete it from trash (so called history), so that nobody sees it, and nobody can punish the administrator. They hide the evidence.
    If you try to dig the dirt, you get banned, and they throw even more rubbish on top, lest anyone discovers their evil deed.
    They will delete discussion, call you names, ban you, label an enemy of the public, urge you not to instill principles, urge you to be corrupt, and obey orders of administrators. They will talk just about anything, except the subject: an inappropriate article, which they defend, or abuse by administrators.
    Nobody ever remembers in wikipedia, that an administrator is not a chief, but a servant.

     

    You suggest we do a research about wikipedia. But I did. You did not. If you try to criticize any content on wikipedia, you will come to same results, and conclusions.

     

    When someone writes an encyclopedia, then one must pass all the checks of credibility. Usually it is a well recognized team. Otherwise they would fail spectacularly in terms of finance.

     

    When one tries to write on wikipedia, all one needs to be is an idiot. That's because an idiot is not allowed to write an encyclopedia. So, one resorts to wikipedia.
    Wikipedia does not fail, because it does not sell anything. It collects donations, handouts. The main purpose of wikipedia is begging for money. Get rich quick. Content is auxiliary. So, idiots do not have to pay for any slobbery they smudge the web pages there with.
    On wikipedia it does not cost you anything to be an idiot. You can even pass there as a great "scientist".
    Simply create two or more accounts, gain the administrator's rights for each of them, and you can grant yourself numerous honors. There's nobody to restrain you there.
    The aim of wikipedia is to grab from the web as many articles as possible. Then they get some "rewards", and recognition. There's even a special page, where every 100000 articles they award a "medal" to some national section.

     

    If you pull the same tricks on element-14, there's a big chance that you get discovered and banned before you reek any greater havoc. That's because here monkeys are not allowed to take over (hijack) the monkey house.
    In this sense element-14 is indeed a competitor to wikipedia. Because there's nothing sensible that you can't write here. On wikipedia there's nothing sensible that you can write there. Sorry, I have not ever read anything there authoritative enough, or at least meaningful enough.

     

    Wikipedia is simply corrupt to the core.
    Yet this is not the main reason not to post an article about element-14 there. Though this is a reson good enough.
    The main reason is that there's no reason to post this on wikipedia at all. Wikipedia is not that important... (Or rater it is unimportant at all.) Neither the article would be that important.

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