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    15. Sep 16, 2011 7:27 PM (in response to Kevin Harper)
    Re: Lightning strike harvesting

    Hi Kevin,

     

    Gamma rays are high energy particles that are very bad for living tissue.  Luckily the Japanese and I think several major laboratories around the world demonstrated that you could draw lightning to a reciever using an inexpensive particle beam projector.

     

    I like your idea about the insulated tanks for storage.  It might be possible to use them to flash water to steam.  You could then draw off the energy through a normal steam turbine.  If you set up a number of the tanks in a given area, you might be able to pull down enough lightning energy to produce a sustained level of power.

     

    As I recall, the particle beam generators had a open air range of 25 to 50 miles.  So if you set up a couple of lines of these stations along known storm tracks, you might be able to drain a lot of the destructive charges from the clouds and moderate the storm damage in addition to creating usable power.

     

    Good thinking,

     

    DAB

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    16. Sep 17, 2011 6:28 PM (in response to DAB)
    Re: Lightning strike harvesting

    Hi DAB,

    I did think of one drawback, once the system has taken on a charge, it will automaticaly attract an opposite charge which if collected would nutralise the already collected charge, this means the collected charge should be used as soon as possible. Nice to know about particle beam generators, I thought Gama rays were dangerous, I just didnt know how dangerous.

     

    If we are going to look at fashing water to steam from the thermal energy of the lightning strike, then why not let the charge go to ground though heater elements to add to the water heating.

     

    Thanks Kevin.

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    17. Sep 17, 2011 6:30 PM (in response to Kevin Harper)
    Re: Lightning strike harvesting

    Hi Kevin,

     

    We discussed that problem earlier, but basically the lightning events happen so fast that you need to find a creative way to handle the huge voltage and current pulse.  That's why I liked your idea of the  steel tanks.  They could be constructed thick enough to absorbe the energy and change it into steam.  I am hoping that someone with more modern thermodynamics skills than I can do some calculations to see if it is even possible.

     

    The conversion from high current and high voltage to a controlled energy is the big problem to harvesting the energy.

     

    Keep thinking,

     

    DAB

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    18. Sep 19, 2011 1:21 PM (in response to DAB)
    Re: Lightning strike harvesting

    Hi DAB

     

    Yes but I was thinking, if the tank can absorb the thermal and electrical charge, we can use the thermal energy to flash water into steam, as you said,
    and use it to start a steam turbine generator, and since the lightning strike came down one of the particle beams, its likely that the ice
    in the cloud will still be generating electricity and it will be at the same charge value as the tank, in effect while the particle beam
    is in contact with the cloud it will be connected to the tank system and enlarge the overall size of the capacitor. this gives us a unique opportunity.

     

    When the lightning struct the tank and flashed water into steam within the tank. sensors could be used to detect the rise in temperature and at that
    location, using a very high voltage switch, turn on a high resistance ceramic heater to raise more steam and keep the steam turbine turning
    but now it's not just the energy collected in the tank chain, its also the energy in the cloud, which is still being generated by the ice in the cloud.

     

    Now knowing that the positive charge always collects at the top of the cloud, it would be easy to point the particle emmitters and gather
    the correct polarty charges from all the clouds in the area. at the same time particle beams would be pointed at the base of the clouds and connect

    the negative energy to the ground to complete the circuit and extract the full potential from the cloud.

     

    It may be possible to do this automatically using radar, satalite images, and heat sensors.

     

    I would love to see a green power generator like this work. we could even seed clouds with liquid air to make ice crystals where there are none,

    though I dont know if that would or could be made cost effective.

     

    Tell me what you think I would like to brain storm this problem, with many of us throwing in ideas we should be able to get somewhere.

     

    Kevin.

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    19. Sep 19, 2011 5:01 PM (in response to Kevin Harper)
    Re: Lightning strike harvesting

    Hi Kevin,

     

    I think you might be on to something here.  We could use the particle beam like a vacuum cleaner by scanning it across the sky at different altitudes to pull down at least some of the charge to the capicitor tanks.  The current flow through the steel alone should be sufficient resistance to heat up the water, if not turn it to steam.

     

    This approach could be set up along known wind paths, which generally run west to east in the mid latitudes and east to west at the equator.  Our ancestors used these reliable winds to sail the world, so there should be no problem in setting up a line of storage tanks with a particle beam generator spaced every 50 miles or so.  We could refine the positioning once we discover which altitude carries the best current source.

     

    If we wanted to do a serious demonstration, we could possible get funding through the insurance industry.  If this approach were successful, it would greatly reduce the random buildup of charge in the atmosphere and therefore reduce the amount of lightning actually hitting the ground.  The reduced cost for insurance payouts could well make the cost of the system economical.

     

    Definitely worth a trial by some laboratory or university.  I need to think about this a while to see if I can come up with some current hardware that could do the job.

     

    Keep thinking, we may be on track for this to actually work.

     

    DAB

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    20. Oct 12, 2011 12:43 PM (in response to DAB)
    Re: Lightning strike harvesting

    Greetings...  I have actually been thinking about this from a different perspective.  But we won't go into that part.

    1)a) A charged particle beam (+ or -) can be used to connect the 2 capacitive plates...the ground and the cloud.

    2) Yes, that is a good idea that creating an effect to limit the  discharge to other areas by causing a discharge in a 'SafeZone'.

    3) But if done in the wrong way, would essentially super-charge the cloud.

     

    1)b) The beam would create an ion channel acting like a  conductor and directing the discharge.  In this case, you could use a  high energy laser, since this also

        ionizes the air in its path.

     

    4)  Storage or energy conversion...   I envision a device like a  transformer that could electro-magnetically capture the charge and then  transfer it.   The only issue that you have to send it into a large  power grid.  Dividing up the current and /or the voltage levels.

     

    Philip

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