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Dec 15, 2010 11:01 AM

EuP ErP has it been defined?

I have been looking for information regarding the Energy Related Products Directive. My business is fans and motors and I hoped I might be able to find out if there was a defined Specific Fan Power a motor/fan had to achieve. All I find is references to various exemptions and no facts. I am familiar with Building Regulations Part L2 which refers to SFP as Watts/Litres per sec. There are statements saying 50 or 60% of the motors commonly used today will be outlawed by new efficiency requirements but exactly how are they defined?

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    1. Dec 15, 2010 1:47 PM (in response to fernleywood)
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    Hi,

     

    I work at ebmpapst and we have a page that explains this including a download to read though. Have a read and if this helps.

     

    http://www.ebmpapst-ec.co.uk/erp-2015-your-questions-answered

     

    Thanks

    Paul

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    2. Dec 16, 2010 8:01 AM (in response to fernleywood)
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    We put this to our consultants, see below:

     

    The fan regulation has yet to be published but a draft is available (http://efficient-products.defra.gov.uk/cms/assets/Uploads/DraftEuPFansCommissionRegulation260510.pdf)
    The final regulation is unlikely to be much different.
    The regulation as drafted sets requirements for minimum energy efficiency which is the ratio of "air power" to electrical input power. Air power = air volume flow rate x pressure difference across the fan.  How this translates into "specific fan power" I don't know but I imagine your enquirer has the expertise to work this out for himself.  The working document and final report of the preparatory study might provide further guidance if needed.
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    5. Dec 23, 2010 5:58 AM (in response to fernleywood)
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    I've been looking at this too and from what I've read the legislation, whilst trying to address the amount of power wasted by inefficient motors, is based on being able to measure motor efficiency. So it seems that where a motor is assembled into a system that uses the motor output power for mechanical work, and where the motor can not be removed from this load and tested independantly, then it is exempt. I may be over generalising this though.

    It makes sense to test only what can be tested....a gearbox that can not be removed will sap power and make the motor look less efficient, a fan will load the motor etc....and then you have invertors to drive motors at variable speed which are also not 100% efficient so variable drive motors that have intergrated controllers are also excluded!

    So, in my interpretation only simple AC motors are included where they are a component that can function and be tested independently.

     

    Surely the legislators (or I) have missed the point.

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    6. Jan 5, 2011 2:22 AM (in response to fernleywood)
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    Hi Chris


    From reading the reply's looks like this is a little more complex than  it first looks. So I have spoken to Geoff Lockwood our Technical  Director who is involved in these sorts of regulations all the time. He  has forwarded me the following message to post that hopefully should  help.


    There is not a defined Specific Fan Power (SFP) target within the new  Energy related Products (ErP) regulations for fans. The measure of SFP  is not a term to define the efficiency of the fan it is a term that  defines the energy consumption of a system related to a specific volume  flow where a fan or fans are installed. The ErP is a directive that sets  out to define the efficiency of many products (not systems), one of  which is fans, and therefore uses the standard term of fan efficiency  based on air power out divided by electrical power into the motor or  drive. There is no cross reference from fan efficiency to SFP.


    There is a Fan Manufacturers Association (FMA) guidance  note, GN04, that gives explanation to fan efficiency and SFP -  http://www.feta.co.uk/fma/downloads/FMA%20GN4%20Fan%20Efficiency-v2.pdf


    Specific fan power is calculated by the equation Pe/V,  where Pe is electrical power input in Watts and V is volume flow in l/s.  So one way to reduce the SFP figure is to improve the impeller and  motor efficiency and hence reduce the Pe value. But an alternative way  to reduce the SFP figure is to reduce the resistance to the flow of air  in the system; air power is volume flow times pressure loss, so keeping  the same volume flow and reducing the pressure loss reduces the air  power and a reduction in the air power leads to a reduction in  power  input and therefore a reduction of the SFP figure.


    We find that the most significant way to reduce SFP  figures is to ensure the fans are selected to operate at peak  efficiency, are installed correctly (avoiding losses) and that the  system loses are reduced through good system design. There is an joint  FMA and CIBSE application guide that gives good advice -  http://www.feta.co.uk/fma/fma-01.htm


    There is a new International Standard, ISO12759 – fans –  efficiency classification for fans, that has been produced to support  the ErP regulations. This explains how the fan efficiency is calculated,  relates it to the efficiency grades referred to in Annex I table 1 and  2, and gives worked examples. It has been approved by ISO members and is  likely to be published January or February 2011. The FMA has already  given some training to the industry and is likely to provide further  advice via seminars.


    The ErP fan regulations have been approved by the EU commission and are expected to be published this month.


    Regarding the impact we, ebm-papst, believe about 30% of  the products currently on the market will not meet the requirements,  typically fans driven by low efficient shaded pole motors.


    Regarding the comment ‘only simple AC motors are  included’. Assuming that this comment refers to the ErP regulations for  fans, then this is not a correct assumption. All electric motors types  driving fans are within the scope. In general DC motors and EC motors  easily exceed the limits. If the reference is to the ErP regulation for  motors, then yes this is true and the EU has missed the point. Those  regulations are for motors >0.75 kW and AC induction motors only.


    I would like to point out that the fan regulations  considers fans/motors with integrated drives/controls and gives them an  advantage.

     


    He has also told me that the ISO standard can be found  here

     

    And that it should also appear on the BSI site soon.


    Thanks

     

    Paul

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    7. Nov 30, 2011 5:34 AM (in response to pjclarke)
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    Hi Paul,

     

    Can you please tell me if this ErP directive affects mechanical power transmissions products like- bearings and couplings.

     

    Are bearings and couplings within the scope of ErP directive?

     

    Please reply.

    Thanks,

    Gaurav

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    8. Nov 30, 2011 7:23 AM (in response to thatsgau)
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    Hi Gaurav

    Not specifically but they could be part of something that is in scope such as a washing machine or a motor.

    As you know the original scope was "any product that when in use, depends on, generates, transfers or

    measures energy (electric, fossil fuel or renewable) although this maybe subject to future developments.

    If you go to the menu at the top left of the legislation page you will find, under ErP, the October

    E-Book covering this interesting subject.

    Best wishes

    Gary

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