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there have been projects where AX.25 have been implemented in simple microcontrollers. and i have seen verry small terminal node controllers.
a low part count and low power communications system capable of ax.25 could be fit into a single 10x10cm board.
ax.25 can be used for telemetry, controle, status, and recovery of the payload. speeds of 2400 to 9600baud are comon and could interface with off the shelf amateur radio equipment at the ground station.
this is all you need to recieve, it was made from some scrap wood and stanless rod, i have TX 20+ miles terestrial with 140mW @440mhz
This looks like a workable solution not sure how I would interface amy pcb with the radio though.
any simple fm transmitter could be used, it is a little beyond my level to build a radio from scratch.
i even think there are small fm beacon transmitters avalable that could do the trick. and recievers for 144mhz is the easy part.
ax.25 is usualy implemented in a terminal node controller. there have been projects where it has been built off of an arduino. http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/08/05/arduino-tnc/
AX25 is a good existing and proven protocol. The APRS (ie GPS telemetry piggybacks on this) and you can use the data received to control items. I would have to pick (or PIC) a few other brains to get the hardware sorted. I see no reason for a dual band solution, AX25 being a half duplex mode, it only needs a single frequency to be used.
One of those cheap chinese handhelds could be used very easily, the controller has the PTT controls built in. You just need a tame amateur to tag along, and I would suspect there are a few tagging along this thread.
a single frequency is definately doable, there have been many 2m "low power" tranciever projects many will fit on small pcb
I should have perhaps mentioned that I am M0RJX which will help in the licenced amature radio operator stakes.
We've probably got all the licencing covered then. AX25 and APRS seem to be the requirements, but we'll need to know what they want us to do with the uplink apart from the abort code and possibly other telemetry we can tag on. 73's de M0DCD
I have found a radio unit that is small and has built in modem that should be suitable, http://www.radiometrix.com/shx1-0
this could be incorporated into a single board solution, containing sensors, GPS, payload controller etc.
i am tempted to build one myself.
But its not temperature stable
it is easy enough to add a heater to the board and keep temp within a specified range. -20C to 70C max operational for mentioned transciever.
+-1.5 kc is well within the capability of most amature recievers equiped for satelite operation.
i assumed that a heater was already a requirement, and the payload would be insulated etc.
The heater issue can be resolved with minimum issues two options.
1. (EL CHEAPO) De-icing salt insde one zip lock bag and water in another put salt bag inside water bag before the takeoff break the salt bag and presto instant heat for about an hour.
2. Buy heating pad that are used for camping.and place them on the inside those barely weigh a damn thing. So it it will keep the inside warm.
The real issue what type of ground antenna are you going to use. Because to shoot up that high a parabolic antenna is going to be required.
I have done a little work with LORAN high altitude balloon sondes, and these are heavily packed in expanded polystyrene.
so i`m wondering/thinking, that if the PA stage transistor had a larger heatsink plate, and all was packed in polystyrene, that the act of transmitting alone would be sufficient to keep the device warm, with the added benefit (although not as good as polyprop or Wax) of thermalising neutrons.
giving a Little bit of radiation protection as well (lead (and other High Z materials) is useless against neutrons for the most part).
just a thought ![]()
one problem with the camping heating pads, they are oxygen activated and will become unusable above 16k feet or so.
using any type of liquid for heating could be disastrous if it leaks or breaks free inside the payload. i don't think i need to elaborate about the chemistry of combining salt & water.
overheating could be a problem too.
a parabolic dish is not necessary, it is more important to match polarisation. since the balloon will most likely not have control of orientation. it would make the most sense to use a wire antenna hanging from the bottom of the payload. this would result in vertical polarisation and a simple vertical Yagi (similar to picture above) would be more than enough. many contacts with the ISS have been made with similar antenna.
although Some do the require the presence of O2 to operate, there are other such as those based upon metastable liquids such as sodium acetate packs that require nothing more than a nucleation site to trigger.
they will work Anywhere.
and they`re not Too heavy either, maybe something like that would be better?
again, just a thought ![]()
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