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Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

 

  • 1. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

    On 3/10/2010 2:18 AM, Silviu Epure wrote:

    "davem"<imix@bigpond.net.au>  wrote in message

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    >> Hi Silviu!

    >>

    >> I dont think that a gerber viewer is "USELESS" as there are NO GERBER

    >> VIEWERS for the MAC.

    >>

    >> and besides most of the code is already in eagle cad, it knows how to

    >> generate the plotting data, its probably very similar to the PCB Layout

    >> code anyhow, So an integrated viewer would make sense.

    >>

    >> If we had TABBED STYLED Editor you could have SCHEMATIC/BAORD/BOM/GERBERS

    >> as tab heading and switch between them.

    >>

    >> thanks

    >>

    >> Dave M

    >> --

    >> Browser access to CadSoft Support Forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca

    >

    I agree with tabbed GUI. And I'm not bothered if Eagle could display gerber

    files.

    >

    >

     

    NO NO NO on tabbed interface.  We always use multiple monitors.

     

    Since Eagle was separate programs always (long before "tabbed"

    anything), I hope there's no chance of tabbed MDI replacing the usefully

    unique separate proggrams.

     

     

  • 2. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

    On 07.07.10 2:57 AM, MB wrote:

    abbed interface.  We always use multiple monitors.

    >

    Since Eagle was separate programs always (long before "tabbed"

    anything), I hope there's no chance of tabbed MDI replacing the usefully

    unique separate proggrams.

     

    I also use a dual monitor setup and I agree that a restriction to tabs

    will be counterproductive. However the tab interface can be an option

    and user could separate the tabs into distinct windows by drag and

    drop(like internet browsers).

     

  • 3. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

     

    "MB" <mike@brenden.com> wrote in message

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    On 3/10/2010 2:18 AM, Silviu Epure wrote:

    >> "davem"<imix@bigpond.net.au>  wrote in message

    >> news:hn7g5b$iku$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

    >>> Hi Silviu!

    >>>

    >>> I dont think that a gerber viewer is "USELESS" as there are NO GERBER

    >>> VIEWERS for the MAC.

    >>>

    >>> and besides most of the code is already in eagle cad, it knows how to

    >>> generate the plotting data, its probably very similar to the PCB Layout

    >>> code anyhow, So an integrated viewer would make sense.

    >>>

    >>> If we had TABBED STYLED Editor you could have

    >>> SCHEMATIC/BAORD/BOM/GERBERS

    >>> as tab heading and switch between them.

    >>>

    >>> thanks

    >>>

    >>> Dave M

    >>> --

    >>> Browser access to CadSoft Support Forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca

    >>

    >> I agree with tabbed GUI. And I'm not bothered if Eagle could display

    >> gerber

    >> files.

    >>

    >>

    >

    NO NO NO on tabbed interface.  We always use multiple monitors.

    >

    Since Eagle was separate programs always (long before "tabbed" anything),

    I hope there's no chance of tabbed MDI replacing the usefully unique

    separate proggrams.

    >

     

    There are many software packages that uses tabs. And that tabs are

    detachable!!! (see google chrome for example)

    So, there is a solution for everyone.

     

    I was thinking about this problem too, and I don't consider Cadsoft

    developpers capable to do such thing, in the next 5 years. just my opinion.

     

     

     

  • 4. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

    Marius Trusculescu wrote on Wed, 07 July 2010 01:57

    However the tab interface can be an option

    and user could separate the tabs into distinct windows by drag and

    drop(like internet browsers).

     

    It could be, but how much is there really to gain?  I can think of many

    better things for the CadSoft developers to spend their time on, especially

    since there are already fast and easy mechanisms for switching between

    Eagle windows.  For example, ALT-F W switches back and forth between the

    schematic and board editors.  That's so much easier than clicking on a tab

    that I'd continue to use it instead of a tab anyway.  Other Eagle windows

    are also OS windows, with their existing mechanisms for switching between

    them, like ALT-Esc on Windows for example.

     

    If CadSoft does implement tabbed windows, I really hope they make that

    optional so I don't have to wast the pixels on the tabs above the windows.

    I'd rather get a better view of my schematic or board than a row of tabs

    which I'll never use.

     

    Can we stick to asking for real circuit-related features instead of this

    fluff?

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  • 5. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

    On 2010-03-10 08:39:48 +0100, Oliver Betz <obetz@despammed.com> said:

     

    >> Because I use a MAC there are NO GERBER viewers available. ( that I know of

     

    Me too. I have searched.

     

    I knew about http://gerbv.gpleda.org/index.html , but

     

    Gerbv. I have several Finck and MacPorts packages compiled form source

    here, something Mac user never have to do and most can't. I can get

    Gerbv to display anything.

     

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gerberviewermac

     

    reveals more.

     

    Indeed. But they don't work. This one, for instance:

     

    http://www.brothersoft.com/gerber-viewer-for-mac-download-197933.html

     

    This may sound silly, but experienced Mac users expect more. The site

    of these guys scares 99% of Mac users, and rightly so. A developer that

    makes ugly sites like this, will naver make a good Mac program.

     

    This one does work:

     

    http://www.mcn-audio.com/sharewares/index.html

     

    At least on 10.4.11 and a G5.

     

    Thank you.

     

    --

    Eur van Andel  eur@fiwihex.nl

     

     

  • 6. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

    Eur van Andel wrote:

     

    >>> Because I use a MAC there are NO GERBER viewers available. ( that I know of

    >

    >Me too. I have searched.

     

    That's bad for the Mac users.

     

    Nevertheless I think a Gerber viewer should be a separate application.

    It's to check Eagle output, isn't it? So it should be done from a

    3rd party.

     

    You can still use a Windows installation in a virtual machine.

     

    Oliver

     

  • 7. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

    Oliver Betz wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 11:09

    Eur van Andel wrote:

     

     

     

    Nevertheless I think a Gerber viewer should be a separate application.

    It's to check Eagle output, isn't it? So it should be done from a

    3rd party.

     

    You can still use a Windows installation in a virtual machine.

     

    Oliver

     

     

    Totally Totally Totally Agree re the 3rd party Gerber viewer.

     

    I've used to use gerbv on mac, after installing fink, but forgot exactly

    how I did it... fink was a bit of a pain.  Really, it'd be nice if someone

    posted a howto on the most straightforward way to get Gerbv working on a

    mac. 

     

     

     

     

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  • 8. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

    faveluka wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 12:36

    Quote:

    Nevertheless I think a Gerber viewer should be a separate

    application.  It's to check Eagle output, isn't it? So it should be

    done from a 3rd party.

     

    Totally Totally Totally Agree re the 3rd party Gerber viewer.

     

    Me too.

     

    There are plenty of Eagle enhancement I can think of that free third party

    tools don't provide.  A gerber viewer isn't one of them.

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  • 9. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

     

    "Olin Lathrop" <eagle@embedinc.com> wrote in message

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    faveluka wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 12:36

    >> Quote:

    >> > Nevertheless I think a Gerber viewer should be a separate

    >> > application.  It's to check Eagle output, isn't it? So it should be

    >> > done from a 3rd party.

    >>

    >> Totally Totally Totally Agree re the 3rd party Gerber viewer.

    >

    Me too.

    >

    There are plenty of Eagle enhancement I can think of that free third party

    tools don't provide.  A gerber viewer isn't one of them.

    --

     

     

    do you use "print preview" option in printing dialog?!

    We need such feature for gerber files too. It's the first feedback when you

    generate the fabrication files.

    Maybe CAM processor should display a preview for what will do, just to

    confirme us that it's doing what we want CAM to do

     

     

     

  • 10. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

    eSilviu wrote on Wed, 14 July 2010 02:39

    do you use "print preview" option in printing dialog?!

     

    Not really, not from Eagle anyway.

     

    Quote:

    We need such feature for gerber files too.

     

    So go to the Pentalogix site or one of the others and download a free

    gerber viewer.

     

    Quote:

    It's the first feedback when you

    generate the fabrication files.

    Maybe CAM processor should display a preview for what will do, just to

     

    confirme us that it's doing what we want CAM to do

     

    There is no problem to solve here.  I have never seen Eagle make a mistake

    in writing out gerber files.  I have occasionally made mistakes where I put

    something in the wrong layer or wrote the wrong set of layers out to a

    gerber file.  Those errors are quite rare, so catching them when checking

    the gerber files via a independent third party program is no problem.  You

    fix it, rerun the CAM job, and check again.

     

    If you're frequently making these kinds of mistakes then you should take a

    little time to learn the CAM processor better.  Make a few canned CAM jobs

    for the things you usually do.  For example, I have canned CAM files for

    two layer boards and 4 layer boards.

     

    Another thing that helps me a lot is a checklist for going from a Eagle

    board to a board house ZIP file.  Yes, this is actually written down.  I

    refer to it every time I make a board house package.  The checklist is

    actually in the header comments of the script that helps automate binding

    together all the relevant files into a board house ZIP file.

     

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    Web access to CadSoft support forums at www.eaglecentral.ca.  Where the CadSoft EAGLE community meets.

     

  • 11. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

     

    "Olin Lathrop" <eagle@embedinc.com> wrote in message

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    eSilviu wrote on Wed, 14 July 2010 02:39

    >> do you use "print preview" option in printing dialog?!

    >

    Not really, not from Eagle anyway.

    >

    Quote:

    >> We need such feature for gerber files too.

    >

    So go to the Pentalogix site or one of the others and download a free

    gerber viewer.

    >

    Quote:

    >> It's the first feedback when you generate the fabrication files.

    >> Maybe CAM processor should display a preview for what will do, just to

    >>

    >> confirme us that it's doing what we want CAM to do

    >

    There is no problem to solve here.  I have never seen Eagle make a mistake

    in writing out gerber files.  I have occasionally made mistakes where I

    put

    something in the wrong layer or wrote the wrong set of layers out to a

    gerber file.  Those errors are quite rare, so catching them when checking

    the gerber files via a independent third party program is no problem.  You

    fix it, rerun the CAM job, and check again.

    >

    If you're frequently making these kinds of mistakes then you should take a

    little time to learn the CAM processor better.  Make a few canned CAM jobs

    for the things you usually do.  For example, I have canned CAM files for

    two layer boards and 4 layer boards.

    >

    Another thing that helps me a lot is a checklist for going from a Eagle

    board to a board house ZIP file.  Yes, this is actually written down.  I

    refer to it every time I make a board house package.  The checklist is

    actually in the header comments of the script that helps automate binding

    together all the relevant files into a board house ZIP file.

    >

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    Web access to CadSoft support forums at www.eaglecentral.ca.  Where the

    CadSoft EAGLE community meets.

     

     

    I will request, only for you, a command line only version of Eagle, with no

    GUI at all. Since you don't need visual feedback for your actions, you don't

    need the GUI anyway. You could output the board as image, and see-it with

    Paint if you need to see the final result

     

     

     

     

  • 12. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

    HI,

     

    Iv'e read some activity in the last few days, regarding the GERBER VIEWER

    suggestion, I get the impression that whenever a "SUGGESTION" is made for

    eagle cad, that there is a lot of negativity! I think that a BUILT IN

    GERBER VIEWER is a good idea, just like some here said, "do you do a print

    preview before printing?", of course you do, so why not  PRVIEW CAM files

    as well, whilst eagle may not make mistakes in the CAM Output , we users

    make mistakes, especially beginners trying to understand the CAM

    Processor.

     

    NOW If we had a TAB Interface for each project window such as, eg

     

    PROJECT SUMMARY/SCHEMATIC/SIMULATE/BOM/LAYOUT/CAM/GERBER/3DVIEW/PANELLIZE

    /MECHANICAL

    You can implement "TEAR-WAY" tabs as well.

     

    and if we could have a version control for this window,  ( I suggest a

    pop-up menu), then we could easily switch between version or check

    differences between version for QA Control.

     

    and if we could open more than one project at a time, so we can EASILY copy

    and paste ( parts/sub circuits) between projects.

     

    and if we could have a floating TOOLBAR, so only one is displayed,

     

    and if we could have a floating PROPERTIES window to show part attributes

    etc

     

    and finally if we could have a better LIBRARY browser ! thats more DRAG &

    DROP compatible, and must be able to "DETAIL VIEW" more than one part at a

    time.

     

    whats wrong with these suggestions!

     

    If you wish, I could "prototype" (mock-up) some screen layout suggestions"

    using Real-basic to demonstrate my ideas.

     

    and just so you know I really do like EAGLE CAD for the MAC, but it has so

    much more potential! I want it to improve all the time!

     

    And last built not least, each window, can have a TEXT DATA ENTRY BOX, so

    that commands can still be typed in!

     

    Thanks

     

    Dave M

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  • 13. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

     

    "davem" <imix@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message

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    HI,

    >

    >

    If you wish, I could "prototype" (mock-up) some screen layout suggestions"

    using Real-basic to demonstrate my ideas.

     

    Take a look at Mikropascal/MikroC compillers from Mikroelectronika

     

    Their GUI will make 90% of what I wish Eagle GUI to do.

     

     

     

  • 14. Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

    davem wrote:

     

    >Iv'e read some activity in the last few days, regarding the GERBER VIEWER

    >suggestion, I get the impression that whenever a "SUGGESTION" is made for

    >eagle cad, that there is a lot of negativity! I think that a BUILT IN

     

    "whenever" is definitely not true. Lots of suggestions are undisputed.

     

    I'm simply a "one job one tool" advocate. Gerber viewers exist, file

    managers exist. Bloatware sucks.

     

    I prefer additions improving my working efficiency or the quality of

    the designs.

     

    If you ask for frills, the important improvements might be delayed.

     

    Oliver

     

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