27 Replies Latest reply on Nov 24, 2016 7:53 PM by e14candies

    EAGLE version 7.5 released!

    CSWalt

      A new version of EAGLE is now available for download at

       

         http://www.cadsoft.de/download.htm

       

      The changes since the previous version are:

       

      • EAGLE Editions:

       

         - The EAGLE Freeware edition now starts with a temporary advertisement window

           and the Control Panel has got an advertisement section.

         - For the EAGLE Light edition (both Freeware and Commercial) the number of

           available schematic sheets has been increased to 2.

       

      • GUI:

       

         - Now the icons in EAGLE are scalable (see Options menu in Control Panel).

           The icons are in SVG format and stored in folder 'icons' under the bin folder.

           The classic set of EAGLE icons is not available in SVG format and therefore

           not scalable.

         - Added highlighting of the current group if starting GROUP command.

         - Added tool tips to the DRC/ERC error list containing the error descriptions.

       

      • ULPs:

       

         - Update of various ULPs integrated into EAGLE's editors:

            - In the Board editor under File/Export the entries 'Unidat' (unidat.ulp) and

              'DIF4.0' (dif40.ulp) have been taken out. An entry 'Mount SMD' has been added

              (starting mountsmd.ulp).

            - In the Board editor under File/Import the entry 'Ultiboard'

              (import-ultiboard-ddf.ulp) has been taken out. The new entries 'DXF' and

              'Gerber' have been added, executing import-dxf.ulp resp. import-gerber.ulp.

              The Gerber import is a new functionality.

              Import of DXF is available in the Schematic editor as well.

            - In the Board editor under Tools the new entries 'Element array placement'

              (new component-array.ulp) and 'Mirror board' (mirror-board.ulp) have been

              added.

            - In the Library editor there is now File/Import with entry 'BSDL', starting

              make-symbol-device-package-bsdl.ulp.

       

      • Miscellaneous:

       

         - Extension of proxy settings by an optional username and password.

           Saving of the password is also optional and in an encrypted form.

           See Help/Check for Update/Configure in Control Panel.

         - Added a special DRC error for intersecting signal polygons with same rank.

         - Workaround for Linux 64 bit, because Red Hat (RHEL 6.6) is not

           yet providing an up-to-date GLIBC library.

         - Implementation of a basic file locking mechanism: by default any files

           that are loaded into an EAGLE editor are locked, i.e. not available for

           writing by other EAGLE instances. Locked files are reported to the user.

           He can retry getting the file, save under a different name, continue editing

           without saving or break the lock. The locking can be switched off

           which is saved in eaglerc user settings.

         - Added a new set of schematics, boards and libraries from 3rd party 'seeed'.

           The libraries are in a directory 'seeed' under the library folder, the

           schematics and boards in examples/'seeed' under the projects folder.

           See also www.seeed.cc.

       

      • Bugfixes:

       

         - Fix for not searchable PDF printings on MAC.

         - Fix to avoid intensive network traffic caused by GUI elements of the

           autorouter.

         - Fixed unusable confirm dialog in CAM processor; under special conditions

           it could be blocked by the progress dialog.

         - Fix for wrong display of mirrored texts in package previews.

         - Fixed handling of vias if reselecting a differential pair for routing.

         - If starting the autorouter, the TopRouter is now checking whether

           the board is already routed completely.

         - Made image export to TIFF format work again. There was a regression in V7.3.

         - Restored V6 behavior for designs w/o hierarchy if combining or renaming

           net segments, which could cause unnecessary ripups.

         - Now 64 colors of all palettes are initialized.

         - Correction of the number of available layers for 'Make Personal' edition

           from 4 to 6.

         - Keeping order of 'SET CONTEXT' commands if displaying the context menu.

         - Avoiding a crash on Mac if closing a drawing window with Command(Apple)-W

           immediately after loading a board and schematic pair and restoring the

           minimized partner.

       

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      Walter Spermann

      Software Development

      CadSoft Computer GmbH

      Pleidolfweg 15

      84568 Pleiskirchen

      Tel.: 08635/6989-10

      www.cadsoft.de

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        • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
          CadSoft Guest

          On 17.11.2015 13:02, Walter.Spermann@cadsoft.de wrote:

           

             - The EAGLE Freeware edition now starts with a temporary

          advertisement window

               and the Control Panel has got an advertisement section.

           

          Long awaited feature, really a big step forward...

           

            • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
              gadget.iom

              Really is a shame to see advertising creeping into what should be positioned as a professional product.

              As if the 80x100 board limitation wasn't enough.

                • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                  CadSoft Guest

                  On 11/17/2015 12:50 PM, Paul Ellison wrote:

                  Really is a shame to see advertising creeping into what should be

                  positioned as a professional product.

                  As if the 80x100 board limitation wasn't enough.

                   

                  --

                   

                  Hi Paul,

                   

                  Nice to hear from you again, I hope you're doing well. It's actually

                  pretty mild compared to what could have happened.

                   

                  First and foremost, this only applies to the Freeware. All other

                  licenses including the 30 day trial will work as normal with no popup or

                  anything. So if you have paid for EAGLE, you will not see any trace of this.

                   

                  Second, we don't want these to just be Ads. The idea here is that they

                  will provide some useful information as well. So we will be vetting them

                  to make sure there's some signal in the noise.

                   

                  Third, The main popup can be closed after which there will be a small

                  section at the bottom left of the control panel with some info. In other

                  words, there's none of this on any of the editors.

                   

                  Like I said, compared to what it could've been I'm fairly at peace with it.

                   

                  hth,

                  Jorge Garcia

                   

                   

                    • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                      CadSoft Guest

                      Am 18.11.2015 um 21:15 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

                      On 11/17/2015 12:50 PM, Paul Ellison wrote:

                      Really is a shame to see advertising creeping into what should be

                      positioned as a professional product.

                      As if the 80x100 board limitation wasn't enough.

                       

                      --

                       

                      Hi Paul,

                       

                      Nice to hear from you again, I hope you're doing well. It's actually

                      pretty mild compared to what could have happened.

                       

                      First and foremost, this only applies to the Freeware. All other

                      licenses including the 30 day trial will work as normal with no popup or

                      anything. So if you have paid for EAGLE, you will not see any trace of

                      this.

                       

                      Second, we don't want these to just be Ads. The idea here is that they

                      will provide some useful information as well. So we will be vetting them

                      to make sure there's some signal in the noise.

                       

                      Third, The main popup can be closed after which there will be a small

                      section at the bottom left of the control panel with some info. In other

                      words, there's none of this on any of the editors.

                       

                       

                       

                      hth,

                      Jorge Garcia

                       

                       

                      Hi Jorge.

                       

                      "Like I said, compared to what it could've been I'm fairly at peace with

                      it."

                       

                      Well I'm not!

                       

                      I have not upgraded to eagle 7.x yet and as it seams I never will.

                      Of course I  check the new versions to see what kind of improvements

                      have been made

                      and since I don't have a license for 7.x I use the freeware.

                       

                      It is then rather "nice" to see an advertisement popping up and next

                      thought is what other kind of shit is going to happen in future.

                      Like the boastfully advertisement of so called features of a half ready

                      "hierarchical design" for example?

                       

                      IMHO a user has checked the cadsoft internet presence with whatever

                      advertisements are there, but once he has selected what he wants this

                      kind of nonsense should stop.

                       

                      --

                      Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

                       

                      Joern Paschedag

                       

                        • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                          CadSoft Guest

                          Am 19.11.2015 um 10:55 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

                          Well I'm not!

                           

                          Same here, especially after all the whining about missing manpower. Low

                          priority on all important things, but high priority in turning EAGLE

                          into ad-ware. Thank you very much.

                           

                          Rene

                           

                           

                            • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                              CadSoft Guest

                              Same here, especially after all the whining about missing manpower. Low

                              priority on all important things, but high priority in turning EAGLE

                              into ad-ware. Thank you very much.

                               

                              Hi Rene,

                               

                              Like most evil things, that splash screen was very easy to execute from

                              what I hear. Like one hour's worth of work or something like that.

                               

                              If you think about it, it's just one widget that shows up when EAGLE

                              starts and it's then easy to close.

                               

                              In any case, I have that tranquility that if things start to go south(Ie

                              V7 release fiasco) it will be removed just like last time.

                               

                              On a brighter note, things seem to be better organized for V8 and I'm

                              hoping for a much more substantial release than what V7 was. It's still

                              not due for a good while but, let's see what happens.

                               

                              Best Regards,

                              Jorge Garcia

                               

                               

                               

                                • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                  CadSoft Guest

                                  On 19.11.2015 18:04, Jorge Garcia wrote:

                                   

                                  On a brighter note, things seem to be better organized for V8 and I'm

                                  hoping for a much more substantial release than what V7 was. It's still

                                  not due for a good while but, let's see what happens.

                                   

                                  So that means pay again for finally having the features promised for V7

                                  working as intended?

                                   

                                  Markus

                                   

                                   

                                    • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                      CadSoft Guest

                                      So that means pay again for finally having the features promised for V7

                                      working as intended?

                                       

                                      Markus

                                       

                                       

                                      Hi Markus,

                                       

                                      As far as I remember V7 was a pretty lean release. It was new licensing,

                                      improved autorouter, and hierarchy. We both know how licensing panned

                                      out. The autorouter IMO did deliver a strong upgrade with multi-core

                                      processing and the TopRouter algorithm. Then we have hierarchy which was

                                      50% of the way there.

                                       

                                      I think all we are missing as far as what was promised in V7 is

                                      concerned is finishing hierarchy. Then we have the long list of other

                                      requests to work on. V8 will have new stuff, hopefully lots of new stuff

                                      that addresses the more important long term requests of our users.

                                       

                                      It's still too far out to make a determination. We'll see what happens.

                                       

                                      Best Regards,

                                      Jorge Garcia

                                       

                                        • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                          CadSoft Guest

                                          Am 20.11.2015 um 00:28 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

                                          out. The autorouter IMO did deliver a strong upgrade with multi-core

                                          processing and the TopRouter algorithm. Then we have hierarchy which was

                                           

                                          This "multi-core processing" does not save you any time! The router

                                          itself is the same as it ever was and utilizes one core only, as far as

                                          I can see. Yes, you can run the autorouter with different parameters

                                          simultaneously. But why why why should you do this?

                                           

                                          And the new TopRouter does not get the job done, look at your own videos

                                          for a demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TkJ6QLPL_Y

                                           

                                          All you did is hardening the autorouter's usage. This "strong upgrade"

                                          is nothing more than marketing fluff, IMO.

                                           

                                           

                                            • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                              CadSoft Guest

                                              On 11/19/2015 7:06 PM, René König wrote:

                                              Am 20.11.2015 um 00:28 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

                                              out. The autorouter IMO did deliver a strong upgrade with multi-core

                                              processing and the TopRouter algorithm. Then we have hierarchy which was

                                               

                                              This "multi-core processing" does not save you any time! The router

                                              itself is the same as it ever was and utilizes one core only, as far as

                                              I can see. Yes, you can run the autorouter with different parameters

                                              simultaneously. But why why why should you do this?

                                              Hi Rene,

                                               

                                              This allows the autorouter explore the solution space more efficiently.

                                              I don't know how often you use the autorouter, but those that do use it

                                              often find that sometimes the autorouter doesn't produce the result they

                                              were looking for so they iteratively would adjust the cost factors

                                              looking for a better result.

                                               

                                              By running multiple-configurations simultaneously, much of that

                                              iteration can be avoided.

                                               

                                              Of course we have users who don't want to deal with autorouters in which

                                              case this feature is mute.

                                               

                                              And the new TopRouter does not get the job done, look at your own videos

                                              for a demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TkJ6QLPL_Y

                                               

                                              Could you elaborate on how this video shows that the TopRouter doesn't

                                              get the job done? It ran and produced a viable variant like the other

                                              runs did.

                                               

                                              Of course every board is different the TopRouter may not always generate

                                              the least amount of vias, or there may be times where you prefer one of

                                              the other runs to the TopRouter but that's normal. The TopRouter gives

                                              another option and stylistically it's pretty easy to tell the TopRouter

                                              run apart from the others.

                                               

                                              Again, if you don't use the autorouter much this is pretty much mute.

                                               

                                              Thanks for your feedback.

                                               

                                              Best Regards,

                                              Jorge Garcia

                                               

                                               

                                                • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                                  CadSoft Guest

                                                  Am 20.11.2015 um 17:56 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

                                                  Could you elaborate on how this video shows that the TopRouter doesn't

                                                  get the job done? It ran and produced a viable variant like the other

                                                  runs did.

                                                   

                                                  94.9% You call it viable - I call it, sorry, bs. I played with the

                                                  TopRouter as well long time ago and was also not able to get a 100%

                                                  coverage on even the simplest boards, like in the video.

                                                   

                                                  The classic router, on the other hand, does it with ease. And I still

                                                  don't see the need for running different setups simultaneously, all of

                                                  them not producing the best result imaginable. It's nonsense.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                                    CadSoft Guest

                                                    Jorge Garcia wrote on Fri, 20 November 2015 11:56

                                                    This allows the autorouter explore the solution space more efficiently.

                                                     

                                                    I don't know how often you use the autorouter, but those that do use it

                                                     

                                                    often find that sometimes the autorouter doesn't produce the result

                                                    they

                                                    were looking for so they iteratively would adjust the cost factors

                                                    looking for a better result.

                                                     

                                                    By running multiple-configurations simultaneously, much of that

                                                    iteration can be avoided.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    Jorge, I'm a big Eagle fan, but this feature really is silly.  Worse yet,

                                                    it seems to have detracted from what we really want, which is for the real

                                                    autorouter to use all the processor cores we have.

                                                     

                                                    Your view of how the auto router is used doesn't fit with reality.  Once

                                                    you learn to use the auto router properly, it's not the router parameters

                                                    that you tweak iteratively, but placement of parts, some manual

                                                    pre-routing, and net classes.  Each of those also requires seeing the

                                                    results from one run to know what to tweak before the next run.

                                                     

                                                    Again, a real benefit would be to make each pass shorter by utilizing all

                                                    the available CPU, not by running multiple passes in parallel.  All the top

                                                    router has done for me so far is made me waste time reading the docs to

                                                    figure out how to get past it and use the real auto router.  The changed

                                                    user interface has only made auto routing more tedious.  Less things can be

                                                    done with the keyboard, and the applet retains less state between uses, if

                                                    I remember right.

                                                     

                                                    The existance of the top router has only slowed me down without any benefit

                                                    at this point.

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                                        • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                          CadSoft Guest

                                          It is then rather "nice" to see an advertisement popping up and next

                                          thought is what other kind of shit is going to happen in future.

                                          Like the boastfully advertisement of so called features of a half ready

                                          "hierarchical design" for example?

                                           

                                          IMHO a user has checked the cadsoft internet presence with whatever

                                          advertisements are there, but once he has selected what he wants this

                                          kind of nonsense should stop.

                                           

                                          It does stop, like I mentioned in my post the freeware is the only

                                          version that has this all other licenses have no trace of it.

                                          Additionally and I forgot to mention this in my original reply the

                                          freeware was bumped up to 2 schematic sheets instead of one.

                                           

                                          No one likes this type of stuff, except high-level executives. The devs

                                          hate it with a passion, but it's not their call or mine.

                                           

                                          I'm grateful it's not as bad as other tools I've seen.

                                           

                                          hth,

                                          Jorge Garcia

                                           

                                           

                                            • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                              CadSoft Guest

                                              Am 19.11.2015 um 17:53 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

                                              It is then rather "nice" to see an advertisement popping up and next

                                              thought is what other kind of shit is going to happen in future.

                                              Like the boastfully advertisement of so called features of a half ready

                                              "hierarchical design" for example?

                                               

                                              IMHO a user has checked the cadsoft internet presence with whatever

                                              advertisements are there, but once he has selected what he wants this

                                              kind of nonsense should stop.

                                               

                                              It does stop, like I mentioned in my post the freeware is the only

                                              version that has this all other licenses have no trace of it.

                                              Additionally and I forgot to mention this in my original reply the

                                              freeware was bumped up to 2 schematic sheets instead of one.

                                               

                                              No one likes this type of stuff, except high-level executives. The devs

                                              hate it with a passion, but it's not their call or mine.

                                               

                                              I'm grateful it's not as bad as other tools I've seen.

                                               

                                              hth,

                                              Jorge Garcia

                                               

                                               

                                              Sorry Jorge but you did not get the point.

                                              IMHO I must  NOT read your postings before I download or even PAY for a

                                              software to see whether it contains advertisements or not.

                                              So the mentioning of the increasing of sheets is for the birds.

                                               

                                              I'm quite sure that this advertising  (and others) is NOT an idea of the

                                              development staff.

                                               

                                              The whole mess started when  Farnell bought Cadsoft. From that moment I

                                              knew it would become worst. (Others knew too)

                                              The new licensing model 7.x  is (was) one of those things.  The half

                                              ready "hierarchical design" one of others. Let them pay for one half and

                                              again for PERHAPS the other half in the next release

                                               

                                              One loads down a product and many ulp's do not fit the new version....

                                              (Ah we do that on a later release).

                                               

                                              And another little thing, the forum links between the eagle newsgroups:

                                               

                                              As far as I remember EAGLE Central established that working link in

                                              about a week time.

                                              Element14 has not made that in 3 ? years.

                                               

                                              Don't see this as a personal affront against you Jorge.

                                               

                                               

                                              --

                                              Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

                                               

                                              Joern Paschedag

                                               

                                                • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                                  CadSoft Guest

                                                  Am 21.11.2015 um 09:12 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

                                                  The new licensing model 7.x  is (was) one of those things.  The half

                                                  ready "hierarchical design" one of others. Let them pay for one half and

                                                  again for PERHAPS the other half in the next release

                                                   

                                                  One loads down a product and many ulp's do not fit the new version....

                                                  (Ah we do that on a later release).

                                                   

                                                  And as an added benefit you can't switch assembly variants in the board

                                                  editor any longer...

                                                   

                                                   

                                      • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                        bas.withagen@gmail.com

                                        And another nice feature:

                                        AVG antivirus detects a threat on eagle.exe as soon as it is extracted.

                                        link to thread page

                                          • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                            gadget.iom

                                            What does IDP ARES Generic do?

                                            If determined to be malware, actions can include:

                                             

                                            - Stealing hard disk space and memory, slowing down or completing stopping the PC

                                            - Corrupting or deleting data

                                            - Compromising the entire system by providing remote access to hackers

                                             

                                            Sounds an awful lot like Windows.

                                            • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                              CadSoft Guest

                                              On 11/18/2015 10:16 AM, Bas Withagen wrote:

                                              And another nice feature:

                                              AVG antivirus detects a threat on eagle.exe as soon as it is extracted.

                                              link to thread page

                                              (http://www.avgthreatlabs.com/ww-en/virus-and-malware-information/content/generic-virus/?name=IDP.ARES.Generic&utm_source=TDPU&utm_medium=IDP&PRTYPE=AVF)

                                               

                                              --

                                              To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:

                                              http://www.element14.com/community/message/167025

                                               

                                              Hello Bas,

                                               

                                              This isn't surprising. Kaspersky Anti-Virus used to also detect EAGLE as

                                              a threat, for whatever reason. I don't know if they still do but I know

                                              for a long time that was a pain.

                                               

                                              It's total hogwash and can be safely ignored.

                                               

                                              Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

                                               

                                              Best Regards,

                                              Jorge Garcia

                                               

                                                • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                                  CadSoft Guest

                                                  Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 November 2015 15:05

                                                  On 11/18/2015 10:16 AM, Bas Withagen wrote:

                                                  And another nice feature:

                                                  AVG antivirus detects a threat on eagle.exe as soon as it is

                                                  extracted.

                                                  link to thread page

                                                  (

                                                  http://www.avgthreatlabs.com/ww-en/virus-and-malware-information/content/ge

                                                  neric-virus/?name=IDP.ARES.Generic&utm_source=TDPU&utm_medium=IDP&a

                                                  mp;a mp;PRTYPE=AVF)

                                                   

                                                  --

                                                  To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:

                                                  http://www.element14.com/community/message/167025

                                                   

                                                  Hello Bas,

                                                   

                                                  This isn't surprising. Kaspersky Anti-Virus used to also detect EAGLE

                                                  as

                                                  a threat, for whatever reason. I don't know if they still do but I know

                                                   

                                                  for a long time that was a pain.

                                                   

                                                  It's total hogwash and can be safely ignored.

                                                   

                                                  Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

                                                   

                                                  Best Regards,

                                                  Jorge Garcia

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  Let's not forget that V6 really wasn't finished either.  One of the great

                                                  features in V6 was differential trace routing.  What is implemented is only

                                                  sufficient for 2- or 4-layer boards, and then barely.  You can make it work

                                                  but there are a lot of workarounds.

                                                   

                                                  For multi-layer boards you need to be able to specify separate pair

                                                  geometry on different layers.  And you should be able to specify how much

                                                  clearance is needed from each diff pair to ensure that something close by

                                                  doesn't couple in.  Bonus points for a distance where you're allowed to

                                                  break the clearance since a via won't couple in the same as a long,

                                                  parallel trace.

                                                   

                                                  Until that is fixed V6 is not complete in my view.  Then CadSoft should

                                                  worry about fixing hierarchy.

                                                   

                                                  James.

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                                              • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                                jaencer

                                                What a completely useless "improvement".  Great.  Update your version of EAGLE, and you can add advertisements!  Every single time you open a project, you have to close an advertisement pop-up window!  This is exactly what everyone wants.  Being happy with the software, learning how to use it well, and naturally graduating to a more premium license because you have invested time into making better boards and enjoy using EAGLE... this isn't effective.  How about this:  Piss off the customer with a stupid flash screen that is specifically implemented to be a nuisance, so that they don't want to continue to naturally get better at using the product, and instead allow them to naturally start looking for a different solution.  Unfortunately, I've already purchased a commercial license.  But when I went to go train one of our techs that had downloaded 7.5 with the fresh new advertisements, I instructed him to just download [an alternative].  EAGLE had unfortunately got their head so far up their [guess] that it is better to start with something else before investing your time training.  It's sad, because I'm good at EAGLE, and I like it, and I resent them for messing up so severely.  And this guy going around letting us know that it could have been so much worse, and consoling us that this isn't so bad, "it's just a temporary flash screen", and there are other features now.  I don't want to hear it.  Please just take responsibility that this flash screen is an absolute croc.  It is useless, and designed to be inconvenient.  EAGLE is specifically popular among open source folk, and the maker community, above all else, that is famous for sharing their designs and being, well, open source!  And this has killed EALGE.  There is nothing open source about it now.  We have nothing in common.  This sucks.  I hate it. 

                                                  • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                                    jaencer

                                                    The marketing team probably saw the scenario like this: 

                                                    User:  "Jeez I really don't like this annoying software now that is making me close the advertisements.  I feel like giving the company more money, now that I am good and annoyed."

                                                    The problem is, that's just not the way it works.  People aren't going to react positively to something negative.  People get into EAGLE because it is free and convenient, and enjoyable.  Then, myself included, they get great at it, and eventually need more layers, and to use it commercially.  It's a built in carrot for the user to pay for the software, because they will grow out of their training wheels eventually and want less restrictions.  It's brilliant, and an organic way to get users to start with EAGLE, and not the alternatives.  Putting a thumbtack on the seat is not going to make you ride your bike more and grow out of your training wheels.  My point is, there is no need for a stick.  There is a brilliant carrot built in, and everyone is going to notice this, and everyone is going to hate it. 

                                                      • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                                        CadSoft Guest

                                                        On 06/01/16 01:17, Alexander Higgins wrote:

                                                        The marketing team probably saw the scenario like this: 

                                                        User:  "Jeez I really don't like this annoying software now that is

                                                        making me close the advertisements.  I feel like giving the company more

                                                        money, now that I am good and annoyed."

                                                         

                                                        No, that's not true. Marketing people are abnormal non-human cretins but

                                                        they're not THAT stupid. They honestly, truly believe that people see

                                                        adverts and think "Oh wow! That's brilliant! I always wanted to know how

                                                        I could spend more with them!" (This goes with their belief that

                                                        everybody loves flash-filled websites and animated transitions between

                                                        pages.)

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        The rest of Alexander's rant, however, is spot on. Once again the E14

                                                        evil overlords have imposed a catastrophic decision on Eagle and once

                                                        again the sensible old-guard who understand engineers are fire-fighting

                                                        it. We can only hope that, once again, common sense can win out

                                                        eventually and things will go back to how they were.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                                          sauerwald

                                                          I for one, am grateful for the ad spashes.  Here is why:

                                                           

                                                          I use Eagle for home hobbyist projects.  I have purchased the hobbyist version which was very reasonably priced, and has reasonable limitations placed on what I can do with it.    For professional projects, where my employer provides the tools that I use, I use Altium, which has fewer limits, but is at a cost which is not possible to justify for non professional uses.   Because Eagle offers both freeware and low cost hobby licenses, there is broad use of the tool in the hobby community, which in turn has resulted in a broad spectrum of support.  There is no such support for Altium.  The development of a tool like Eagle is not free, and to offer free and low cost versions, they need to determine how to pay for the development.  One option is to push the cost onto the professional licenses, which will bump their cost up, and move more of the professional users to tools like Altium - in which case those of us using the lower cost tools lose that layer of user support.  

                                                           

                                                          If advertising to those who are not paying anything for the use of a very valuable tool is the cost of allowing CadSoft to offer a professional quality product to the maker community, then I feel that it is a bargain.  

                                                            • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                                              CadSoft Guest

                                                              On 07/01/16 17:46, Mark Sauerwald wrote:

                                                              If advertising to those who are not paying anything for the use of a

                                                              very valuable tool is the cost of allowing CadSoft to offer a

                                                              professional quality product to the maker community, then I feel that it

                                                              is a bargain.  

                                                               

                                                              I get your argument but I'm dubious about the real value of such

                                                              advertising. I really don't see that anybody is actually likely to

                                                              respond to it in any positive way, so I can't see how it's worth

                                                              anything to the advertiser. If I'm right then I can't imagine the

                                                              advertiser having a sufficient case to pay CadSoft more than a tiny

                                                              pittance for the privilege, and then your argument falls down in a heap

                                                              because the advertising won't even pay for itself let alone keep the

                                                              professional license cost down in any meaningful way.

                                                               

                                                              Of course, it may be that the marketing types are so far off mark (or

                                                              I'm so mistaken about human nature) that significant sums of money are

                                                              handed over, and you're right to accept the annoyance "for the greater

                                                              good".

                                                               

                                                            • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                                              rml4o

                                                              Back to this advertisement thing.

                                                               

                                                              1/ The 'pop up' advertising is counter productive from a marketing / reputational point of view. Remember how you felt in the early days of the internet, when they were invading your screen every 5 seconds?

                                                               

                                                              2/ Financially speaking it doesn't make sense either. For maybe 1 out of 20 free users that will eventually buy Eagle to avoid the pop-up, Cadsoft will end up with 19 pissed-off users, who love Eagle and know how great it is (Alexander's comparison with the 'carrot' is spot on), but who will now be much more receptive to free alternatives (e.g. KiCad).

                                                               

                                                              What you could do (in line with common practices in the software world), is to put a small 'disable on startup' checkbox on the pop up, so that people it bothers can turn it off.

                                                              In the meantime, I have rolled back to version 7.3.

                                                              Best,

                                                          • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 re leased!
                                                            e14candies

                                                            I'm hoping for a much more substantial release than what V7 was. It's

                                                            still

                                                            not due for a good while but, let's see what happens.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            However we've seen what happens, year after year...important deficiencies

                                                            are swept under the next version's rug.  When will there be a STATED

                                                            DEFINITIVE timeline to get improvements such as a bottom board viewing

                                                            orientation in place?

                                                             

                                                            Cadsoft's website  http://www.cadsoftusa.com/training-service/faq/

                                                            currently shows (it is now 2016):

                                                             

                                                            2. Does EAGLE run with Windows Vista and Windows 7?

                                                            Yes it does. EAGLE version 5.x.x runs without problems

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            The Download area of CadSoft's web server offers lots of User Language

                                                            Programs for free.

                                                            Various useful ULP-based functions (Selection, January 2007):

                                                             

                                                            ...This was brought up months ago, management's nap is going well.

                                                             

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                                                              • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 released!
                                                                CadSoft Guest

                                                                On 1/8/2016 9:53 PM, Hoyt wrote:

                                                                I'm hoping for a much more substantial release than what V7 was. It's

                                                                still not due for a good while but, let's see what happens.

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                However we've seen what happens, year after year...important deficiencies

                                                                are swept under the next version's rug.  When will there be a STATED

                                                                DEFINITIVE timeline to get improvements such as a bottom board viewing

                                                                orientation in place?

                                                                 

                                                                Cadsoft's website  http://www.cadsoftusa.com/training-service/faq/

                                                                currently shows (it is now 2016):

                                                                 

                                                                2. Does EAGLE run with Windows Vista and Windows 7?

                                                                Yes it does. EAGLE version 5.x.x runs without problems

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                The Download area of CadSoft's web server offers lots of User Language

                                                                Programs for free. Various useful ULP-based functions (Selection,

                                                                January 2007):

                                                                 

                                                                ...This was brought up months ago, management's nap is going well.

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                Hi Hoyt,

                                                                 

                                                                I'll try to wake them up again. Let's see if I'm successful.

                                                                 

                                                                Best Regards,

                                                                Jorge Garcia

                                                                 

                                                              • Re: EAGLE version 7.5 re leased!
                                                                e14candies

                                                                11/19/2015 (1 year ago) On a brighter note, things seem to be better

                                                                organized for V8 and I'm hoping for a much more substantial release than

                                                                what V7 was. It's still

                                                                not due for a good while but, let's see what happens.

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                Yes, let's see what happened...maybe this will finally be the year it

                                                                leapfrogs ahead. Autodesk can move it forward--they have resources.

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