45 Replies Latest reply on Mar 9, 2016 12:12 AM by mcb1

    In the Tesla Club

    spannerspencer

      tumblr_nahigwzu991ry46hlo1_500.gifHi guys!

       

      I just wrote a reply to a discussion, and noticed that I'm now in the Level 8: Telsa club! If I'm honest I haven't been keeping a close eye on my points and levels and badges and such (always too busy posting the docs about getting points and levels and badges and such! ), but I wrote that quick post and there was Nikola staring back at me!

       

      It also made me wonder about the general reaction to climbing levels -- do you just let them come as your points rack up naturally, or do you actively make an effort to reach the next level?

       

      If you don't really watch the levels, what would make them of more interest to you?

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          clem57

          I keep one eye out, but I really enjoy getting people answers. I used to be a teacher for adults in mainframe technology. I also learn more through doing/helping. I find more motivation that way.

          Clem

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            clem57

            At first I though you bought a new car.

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              peteroakes

              I look from time to time but to be honest, since the award scheme changed to be way way less per post or video etc, I just don't worry about it, I know a newcomer will be thinking "Ill never get there" and even a few of us that are at the top will still take forever to get to that magic top level

               

              So I just keep doing my thing and don't worry about it, Aside from Credibility (Our Answers to questions are taken seriously or at least more seriously than others of a lower level), there is no bonus to being there right now

               

              It does feel good to be there though, and knowing it was hard earned

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                dougw

                Points and levels have become much less important for me, because it takes far more time to level up than it takes to do a big project. I don't even know what the next level is or what points I need to get there. I suspect when the point spread between levels exceeds a certain amount, interest will tend to wane. Maybe if the scale was more linear at higher levels it would retain its motivating properties - maybe 5000 points between levels....

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                  mcb1
                  do you actively make an effort to reach the next level?

                  No because there doesn't seem to be one.

                   

                  There is no real incentive to reach any level, so why would someone want to aspire to the next level.

                  As an absolute beginner they get all priviledges, while other sites you need to attain xx points before you have access to xyz.

                   

                  In the older times the avatar changed, but since you apply your own the persons points is only visible if you look for it.

                   

                  Novices and Higher get equal standings for Road Tests, etc so there is no advantage there.

                  Personally I think that some of the more expensive Road Tests should only be for Level x and higher, as it's obvious they have been here for a while and contributed.

                   

                  Having a minimum level doesn't necessarily mean we get someone that can blog, since we've seen how some people comment on 3 year old posts to gain points.

                  We've also had some absolute newbies apply for Design Tests and become very valued members.

                   

                   

                  There was plenty of activity when I hit the top level, but sadly for Shabaz very little official recognition (unless I missed it). We have clem57 knocking on the door as well.

                  If we truely want to acknowledge these levels then surely we should be doing something for everyone that reaches them.

                   

                   

                  I know there is problems with cross border vouchers, but surely there is element14 merchandise that could be given out for certain levels.

                   

                   

                  Mark

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                      shabaz

                      Speaking of Level 8, I still have the Tesla sticker that cstanton gave me when we visited : ) It's awesome.

                      I occasionally have fun checking out what badges exist (I know a lot of effort goes into devising those by Element14, and it is definitely appreciated), and I would agree with you that we don't explicitly look out for points. Actually I feel guilty if people like clem57 and gadget.iom are not recognized, they actively help out on so many discussions with their diverse knowledge. I don't get so much time : ( despite having a high number of points.

                      mcb1 you set the gold standard : ) and always so I was very happy to follow in your footsteps, you're an inspiration especially because you always "keep it real". Many people from Element14 staff did personally reach out to me when the points hit 100k, so I felt appreciated. Also spannerspencer personally put me in touch with some people since he has way better contacts than me hehe, so overall I think personalized incentives to help each of us are still there loosely tied to points levels if people want them, its just that we get motivated in ways other than points eventually too, which is no bad thing and Element14 is doing lots of things right cultivating such an environment.

                       

                      Christmas time especially was awesome - it was very clever how what would normally be a quiet season was turned into a busy time with the thought-provoking Year in Review/Preview posts that encouraged many conversations. So I hope Element14 internally recognises their staff too, for innovative thinking like this that keeps interest high.

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                          mcb1

                          Many people from Element14 staff did personally reach out to me when the points hit 100k

                          Excellent ...

                          I didn't think they would ignore you ....

                           

                           

                          you're an inspiration especially because you always "keep it real".

                          Thanks

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                          Problemchild

                          Would be nice to do some more in depth H/W reviews. It would be interesting to see how much influence a good review has to a real life purchase, also how much if any does a review on a prticular site direct people to buy from that site in this case E14 of course... I suspect this information isn't really available except as a wild directed guess.

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                          DAB

                          I mostly just post without looking at points or levels.

                           

                          I believe in the slow and steady approach, plus I just try to help people where I can.

                           

                          DAB

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                            jw0752

                            Hi Spanner,

                            I used to watch the points more closely as there was a list of where the points came from that allowed me to see from whom and for what they were awarded. Now the list is still there but it contains no information that is usable. The larger tiers may slow down the process but I think they push us back to what is important, paying attention to the posts, answering questions, posting blogs, and going about the purposes for which the forum is intended. When the next tier does come it is fun and feels more worth while than if it wasn't a struggle to get there. In a way the points and tier levels are like a sports teams record of wins. It is great to reminisce about past accomplishments but the real test and joy is in the next question and whether one can provide an answer worthy of a Helpful or a Correct response.

                            John

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                                Problemchild

                                I kind of look at the points some one has but really more likely what they have done for the comunity. Lots of points answering your own questions seems pointless and just jams the site up with trash. Helping others is worthy and deserves help in response. If I see a person doing loads of different content I'm more engendered to them rather than just the points.

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                                    clem57

                                    The badges like "expert" and less so "helpful" (since recent changes gives out more), indicate how others "feel" I may be doing. But I can honestly say some are more deserved than others. And without asking sometimes, they can be hard to earn. Maybe another badge can be given for the desired behaviors. I noticed a blogger badge given out to some folks. How did they get/earn them?

                                    Clem

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                                        spannerspencer

                                        The blogger badge is assigned manually, just to inform members that something was written by a commissioned blogger. Much like we have the element14 employee badge.

                                         

                                        We're always looking for new badge ideas, as they're invariably popular, so do share any thoughts on that front, too.

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                                    gadget.iom

                                    For the reasons mentioned above I too don't seem to watch too carefully.

                                     

                                    The suggestion about holding back high-value road tests to people above a certain tier sounds like a good one.

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                                        jkutzsch

                                        Curious on why it would be advantageous to Element14 to limit any road tests or similar to an "Elite" level instead of the current process of allowing all to enter and then the Element14 staff appropriately deciding based on criteria.

                                         

                                        I assume that one of the elements considered would be current standing of a member when the road tests are being judged so a level 8 member applying will automatically have a higher rating for a road test compared to a level 2.  If an idea offered by a level 2 member is so incredible that Element 14 decides it warrants the opportunity above a level 8 member, why should that idea never be allowed it's chance to even be voiced?

                                         

                                        I love reading all of the great ideas submitted by all levels and member participation is key to keeping new blood coming in.  From what I have seen from the higher level members I would think the only reason they might not get a road test would be because they felt they were too busy, some seriously knowledgeable people here have put in the time and it is great.  I really like how repeatedly I have seen high level members offer to assist anyone when they are in the various stages of processing ideas.

                                         

                                        As a newer member I really enjoy the badges Element 14 comes up with.  The points happen as they happen, because quite honestly, how can I realistically try to "compete" against members that have years on me within this site?  ;-)  Seriously though, I really like the badges and when you have tied in neat things like the Chinese New Year I think it has greatly increased conversation and idea sharing!

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                                            mcb1

                                            If I'm not mistaken the suggestion was only for 'high value' Road Tests and certainly doesn't apply to all.

                                             

                                            You are right, but if you have a look at some of the Design Challenges the dropout rate amongst newer members (or just joined for that challenge/test) was high.

                                            For road Tests the results aren't a lot better, and in some cases unless the person has access to some complimentary equipment, it is difficult to do a decent test.

                                             

                                             

                                            In your case you are relatively new in the time scale, but have obviously gained points due to contributions to the community.

                                            Your content and the badges earned show that you would easily slot into any 'limited entry' class.

                                             

                                            how can I realistically try to "compete" against members that have years on me within this site?

                                            Not sure that years on the site has a lot to do with it.

                                            We've had some reasonably experienced members also fail to deliver for varying reasons, so it's not just a new member issue, but the stats would show the truth.

                                             

                                            I had the opportunity to talk with Christian last year and he spoke about some of the challenges and the entries.

                                            There were some really good entries from novices but experience showed that they would not be able to achieve what they propose, so sometimes the asperation is greater than the capability.

                                             

                                            The ability to present the information also plays a large part in the decision ... a couple of lines "I did it" with a blurry picture is not going to inspire many.

                                            It is also much easier if you have a track record, so rather than he is level x, I think past content is a deciding factor.

                                             

                                            Mark

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                                                jkutzsch

                                                Thanks for the insight!  I hope no one takes my posts as insulting or annoying.  Getting more information always helps in understanding.

                                                 

                                                I look at the current process of criteria based decisions for Element 14 as seeming to be able to take into account experience and track record and if the people who manage the money decide that that the risk is worth it, then it is.  If it was a public opinion based voting process I could understand limits being placed but I would think that the information that the staff have available to them would fully allow them to judge an Enrollment appropriately to include potential for a new person not following through or not having the equipment/experience.  Hence the criteria specified in the T&Cs.

                                                 

                                                I am not trying to be obtuse, I just don't see a benefit to Element14 to restrict enrollment applications when they have the ultimate knowledge and power to judge as the company/site feels is best for the company/site.  I also realistically don't see how a Level 9 member with a great idea and proven track record would not be chosen over an unknown member with an equal potential idea.  You do bring up a good point though that even being a high level member does not equate to any guarantee of return.  Stuff happens in life so I am sure that things can get crazy.  :-)

                                                 

                                                I really love how this all works and the opportunities Element14 provides are incredible to me.  I have never seen/heard of a company doing things like this.

                                                 

                                                I was making a joking reference in regards to competing and was kind of thinking of the points comparison.  For instance you have been a member since 2012 and currently have 118,991 points.  Holy CRAP!  I have 6,390 points.  Your sneezes have more points then I have in the less then 1/2 a year I have been a member.  :-)  I really don't think of it as competing, and I am hoping to continue to learn and be able to contribute more.

                                                 

                                                What could be intriguing would be some type of follow up Mentor program for newbies to have assistance and understanding in how to more appropriately blog/share information.  It can be quite taunting to try to work with new products and you spend so much time focusing on the new item you forget to properly document what is happening.  Maybe even some type of reference document that can link over to some great Enrollment applications and what makes them so great as well as the resulting blogs showing what those people did and how they documented it.  But that kind of strays from the original topic.  :-)

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                                                    mcb1

                                                    Don't pick on me ... look at clem57 

                                                     

                                                    He started late in 2014

                                                    and he has also reached the lofty heights of Hertz with 100,456 points

                                                     

                                                    One other consideration in the decision making process (for Road Tests) is the sponsor, and they can make decisions for other reasons.

                                                     

                                                    It's great that you understand your own limitations, and take the time to increase your knowledge.

                                                    I get lots of info from the challenges and the best thing I've seen in recent years is the inter challenger co-operation and assistance.

                                                     

                                                    I think you'll find the mentoring thing is under way. I know it was discussed but the exact nature of how it should work without becoming a one on one and offline was a WIP.

                                                    Mark

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                                                  spannerspencer

                                                  You've absolutely nailed the reasons behind the badges there, John, and I'm glad they're having the impact as intended.

                                                   

                                                  The conversation regarding level-based RoadTests is much as Mark suggests -- the thought isn't so much that we'd be reserving things for the elite, so much as encouraging existing members to become more involved. Again, as Mark points out, that'd definitely include yourself.

                                                   

                                                  My feeling is that people often join the Community to take part in RoadTests and Design Challenges, and that's something we want to encourage a LOT more of. It's kinda their purpose. At the same time, a brand new member might not yet feel that same connection and dedication to the Community, making it much easier to drop out. If someone makes the effort to attain, say, level 3 (easy, but takes a bit of exploration around the Community) to take part in a RoadTest or Design Challenge, I think it could put them in a much more affirmative frame of mind when it comes to applying or completing a project.

                                                   

                                                  Certainly most would still be open to anyone -- this is just an idea that's being kicked around as a way to encourage deeper participation on the Community alongside new registrations.

                                                   

                                                  kellyhensen had a thought about maybe splitting applications within a single RoadTest -- for example, five applications open to any level, and five reserved for Level 3 (or whatever) or higher, which I think adds an interesting angle to this idea.

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                                                      jkutzsch

                                                      If it makes sense to Element14 then it makes sense.  Just because I don't grasp how the current criteria wouldn't already rate a higher member sufficiently to be able to elevate the key pool of applicants to a point where unknowns are not in the running, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to others.  :-)

                                                       

                                                      I look at kind of like when I am on a board for hiring new employees.  We accept many, many applicants.  From that we have criteria that we assign point values to applicants and from those top point rated applicants we then move to interviews.  We have had some people who may not have a Masters degree or similar but have had some specific experience and certifications that made them more interesting and as such earned extra points for review.  By default a degree earns you a set # of points depending on the level of degree, I would think that Levels would be similar for when people are deciding who makes the cut.

                                                       

                                                      I have seen several really incredible road tests that I sooooo wanted to jump on, but I realistically knew I didn't have the knowledge/experience yet to provide a valid return to Element 14 so I didn't apply.  I just keep trying to learn from the site and improve my own capabilities.

                                                       

                                                      I just wanted to ask for clarification of my own wonderings and to voice what I think might be a perspective of new blood.  This is what has been helping me wander more about the site and feel more comfortable to actually contribute.  The badges can be silly but I like them, I honestly don't get some of the points and how they are awarded, but the entire process makes it fun and interesting!

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                                                          clem57

                                                          The missions generate interest and community involvement. This is good for element 14. The older people help by answering blogs to mostly newer folks here. That helps element 14 indirectly also. The levels indicate a certain seniority (or senior moments too). The growth and vibrancy of the community is related to our sponsors involvement like NXP or TI along with element 14. New technology is sometimes tested giving valuable feedback for maybe the marketing or R&D folks. Good for the sponsors. So this is a closed system in a way. But new members give life and growth. Without new members the chance of more seniors goes down too.

                                                          Clem

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                                                    jw0752

                                                    I just noticed that you have company in the Tesla Club as Problemchild also just made it.  Congratulations to John Alexander. I noticed that he has been on the brink for the last couple weeks and finally he made the leap and crossed over.

                                                    John

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                                                      jwatson

                                                      Great feedback and ideas everyone! We're discussing them. Keep the conversation coming. Thanks.

                                                      Jane

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                                                        michaelkellett

                                                        I really don't like the points/levels/badges thing at all.

                                                         

                                                        It encourages some people to make posts asking for others to mark things as helpful or answered which I find as cringe making as a stand up comic begging for applause.

                                                         

                                                        And as for marking replies as "correct" - words fail me - so I'll quote:

                                                         

                                                        The impreciseness of the paraphrase of this as 'I know that I know nothing' stems from the fact that Plato's Socrates is not saying that he does not know anything but means instead that he cannot know anything with the absolute certainty of seeing. Socrates feels confident only in his possibly being mistaken about what he has known through seeing given the power of the imagination.[

                                                        (From Wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing )

                                                         

                                                        MK

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                                                          mconners

                                                          Points, levels, and badges don't mean a lot to me. They meant even less after the whole scheme was restructured. I will say the fact that clicking a button marking something as helpful, even when it wasn't your question, is as valuable as a blog post, which can take days or weeks of preparation is disconcerting. That single button click, by the person that clicked it, should be worth no more than 1 point. I can see awarding the person whose answer was marked as helpful the full 15 points. But to paraphrase "when everything is helpful, nothing is"

                                                           

                                                          Mike

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                                                            mudz

                                                            Kindly make a post.clem57 is HERTZ now !