36 Replies Latest reply on Jan 23, 2017 8:19 AM by dukepro

    When is Eagle v8 coming   out?

    Justynb

      Cadsoft.io is teasing with some features for the new version of Eagle, and

      the main page states "It's coming. Soon".

       

      Does anyone have any idea what kind of timescale the "soon" is? Could it be

      this week, or next month, or three months?

       

      The features they list sound promising:

       

      • Interactive router

      • BGA fanout

      • Synchronised reusable design blocks

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          • Re: When is Eagle v8 co ming out?
            Justynb

            It seems the

            answer is... now.

             

            Do you have some inside info? I don't see anything...

             

            I notice they just changed the name of their Twitter account from

            CadSoftTech to ADSKEAGLE.

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            • Re: When is Eagle v8 co ming out?
              Justynb

              It seems the

              answer is... now.

               

              Do you have some inside info? I don't see anything...

               

              I notice they just changed the name of their Twitter account from

              CadSoftTech to ADSKEAGLE.

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                • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                  CadSoft Guest

                  On 1/17/2017 12:23 PM, Justyn wrote:

                  It seems the

                  answer is... now.

                   

                  Do you have some inside info? I don't see anything...

                   

                  I notice they just changed the name of their Twitter account from

                  CadSoftTech to ADSKEAGLE.

                   

                   

                  Hi All,

                   

                  It actually has released already but our site hasn't changed over.

                   

                  It will become more obvious once the website switches. If you guys have

                  any questions I'll be here.

                   

                  Best Regards,

                  Jorge Garcia

                   

                  • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                    CadSoft Guest

                    On 1/17/2017 12:23 PM, Justyn wrote:

                    It seems the

                    answer is... now.

                     

                    Do you have some inside info? I don't see anything...

                     

                    I notice they just changed the name of their Twitter account from

                    CadSoftTech to ADSKEAGLE.

                     

                     

                    Hi All,

                     

                    It actually has released already but our site hasn't changed over.

                     

                    It will become more obvious once the website switches. If you guys have

                    any questions I'll be here.

                     

                    Best Regards,

                    Jorge Garcia

                     

                    • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming   out?
                      Fred27

                      Sorry. I was at work and didn't click right though on the download. It seems that if you do you get the old Eagle 7.6 (not even 7.7)

                    • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                      CadSoft Guest

                      It seems the answer is... now.

                       

                      That also means there is a new philosophy of not public beta testing

                      EAGLE anymore with feedback from the community?

                       

                      Thats really sad, that was one of the huge benefits.

                       

                      I guess its to make the people shut up upfront about the new license

                      management. Lesson learnt from the V7 desaster.

                       

                      I think I also look for alternatives then.

                       

                      Markus

                       

                        • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                          CadSoft Guest

                          On 1/18/2017 4:48 AM, Markus Rudolf wrote:

                          It seems the answer is... now.

                           

                          That also means there is a new philosophy of not public beta testing

                          EAGLE anymore with feedback from the community?

                           

                          Thats really sad, that was one of the huge benefits.

                           

                          I guess its to make the people shut up upfront about the new license

                          management. Lesson learnt from the V7 desaster.

                           

                          I think I also look for alternatives then.

                           

                          Markus

                           

                          Hi Markus,

                           

                          I don't know what the future holds front, but many products at Autodesk

                          have public roadmaps and community members who serve as beta testers.

                           

                          We just didn't have enough time to set all of that up.

                           

                          "Continuous improvement is better than delayed perfection" Mark Twain

                           

                          Give us a little time this is the first release and we are still getting

                          our bearings.

                           

                          Best Regards,

                          Jorge Garcia

                           

                      • Re: When is Eagle v8 co ming out?
                        Joop14

                        One of the new exciting features:

                         

                        Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

                        system that will require you to have an internet connection...

                         

                        They seem to have forgotten this:

                         

                        Quote:

                        Dear Valued EAGLE Customer,

                         

                        With the release of EAGLE v7, CadSoft Computer introduced a new

                        License Management system for EAGLE in order to better protect

                        our intellectual property and offer more flexibility and control

                        to customers with multi-user licenses on a network. During the

                        two weeks since the launch of EAGLE v7, we have been listening

                        carefully to your constructive feedback and concerns about the

                        new License Management technology and have decided to remove the

                        license management features from EAGLE v7.

                         

                        CadSoft Computer has always, and will always, put the customer

                        needs at the focus of everything we do. We understand that for a

                        large group of our customers the current License Management is

                        causing limitations or is simply not usable in your current work

                        flow. Therefore, we have decided to withdraw the new License

                        Management system with immediate effect.

                         

                         

                        http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/t/49854/c7286ef7ecac30e5ec09e9251159f508/

                         

                         

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                          • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                            CadSoft Guest

                            On 1/17/2017 2:53 PM, Joop wrote:

                            One of the new exciting features:

                             

                            Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

                            system that will require you to have an internet connection...

                             

                            They seem to have forgotten this:

                            Hi Joop,

                             

                            It was nice to chat with you on friday. I'll never forget that fiasco

                            with Newark. There were a lot of factors that made that implementation

                            unuseable. I've played with this one. Even though I know that any change

                            in this area is going to be met with resistance, this implementation is

                            probably the least annoying.

                             

                            So here are the details:

                            - Gone are key files and installation codes. No more having to store

                            them or remembering where you put them. Now your EAGLE license will be

                            tied to you Autodesk Account. When EAGLE starts up for the first time

                            you will have to login to your Autodesk Account and EAGLE will hit the

                            Autodesk server to check your entitlement(this is what Autodesk calls

                            your license).

                             

                            If everything checks out, you'll be greeted with the control panel. If

                            you close EAGLE and open it again it will automatically use the

                            credentials you supplied previously and just start.

                             

                            - EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts from

                            the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you go on a

                            business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything like that.

                            It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

                            offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

                            able to work.

                             

                            That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

                            to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

                            This is the same licensing model Fusion uses and it seems to be working

                            pretty good for them.

                             

                            Thought it would be useful to spell it out clearly. Let me know if there

                            are any questions or if I missed something.

                             

                            Best Regards,

                            Jorge Garcia

                             

                             

                             

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                              • Re: When is Eagle v8 co ming out?
                                rachaelp

                                Hi Jorge,

                                 

                                Can you confirm that it will still work on multiple machines? I.e. I

                                currently run EAGLE on two Mac's and one Linux PC, as I use different

                                machines depending upon where I am and what I am doing. If that ability

                                were no longer available that would be an issue for me.

                                 

                                Best Regards,

                                 

                                Rachael

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                                • Re: When is Eagle v8 co ming out?
                                  rachaelp

                                  Hi Jorge,

                                   

                                  Can you confirm that it will still work on multiple machines? I.e. I

                                  currently run EAGLE on two Mac's and one Linux PC, as I use different

                                  machines depending upon where I am and what I am doing. If that ability

                                  were no longer available that would be an issue for me.

                                   

                                  Best Regards,

                                   

                                  Rachael

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                                    • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                      CadSoft Guest

                                      On 1/17/2017 5:48 PM, Rachael wrote:

                                      Hi Jorge,

                                       

                                      Can you confirm that it will still work on multiple machines? I.e. I

                                      currently run EAGLE on two Mac's and one Linux PC, as I use different

                                      machines depending upon where I am and what I am doing. If that ability

                                      were no longer available that would be an issue for me.

                                       

                                      Best Regards,

                                       

                                      Rachael

                                       

                                      Hello Rachael,

                                       

                                      I can confirm that you can still work across multiple machines. Just

                                      login to each machine the first time.

                                       

                                      You may occasionally have to login again, but yes you can run EAGLE on

                                      all of the machines you own.

                                       

                                      Best Regards,

                                      Jorge Garcia

                                       

                                    • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                      CadSoft Guest

                                      Am 17.01.2017 um 23:18 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

                                      It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

                                      offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

                                      able to work.

                                       

                                      That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

                                      to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

                                       

                                      Bye bye EAGLE. We had a good time the last 20 years, but it's time to

                                      look for alternatives now...

                                       

                                       

                                      • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                        CadSoft Guest

                                        Am 17.01.2017 um 23:18 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

                                        On 1/17/2017 2:53 PM, Joop wrote:

                                        One of the new exciting features:

                                         

                                        Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

                                        system that will require you to have an internet connection...

                                         

                                        They seem to have forgotten this:

                                        Hi Joop,

                                         

                                        It was nice to chat with you on friday. I'll never forget that fiasco

                                        with Newark. There were a lot of factors that made that implementation

                                        unuseable. I've played with this one. Even though I know that any change

                                        in this area is going to be met with resistance, this implementation is

                                        probably the least annoying.

                                         

                                        So here are the details:

                                        - Gone are key files and installation codes. No more having to store

                                        them or remembering where you put them. Now your EAGLE license will be

                                        tied to you Autodesk Account. When EAGLE starts up for the first time

                                        you will have to login to your Autodesk Account and EAGLE will hit the

                                        Autodesk server to check your entitlement(this is what Autodesk calls

                                        your license).

                                         

                                        If everything checks out, you'll be greeted with the control panel. If

                                        you close EAGLE and open it again it will automatically use the

                                        credentials you supplied previously and just start.

                                         

                                        - EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts from

                                        the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you go on a

                                        business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything like that.

                                        It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

                                        offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

                                        able to work.

                                         

                                        That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

                                        to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

                                        This is the same licensing model Fusion uses and it seems to be working

                                        pretty good for them.

                                         

                                        Thought it would be useful to spell it out clearly. Let me know if there

                                        are any questions or if I missed something.

                                         

                                        Best Regards,

                                        Jorge Garcia

                                         

                                         

                                        Time to say goodbye.. after 25 years.

                                         

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                                        Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

                                         

                                        Joern Paschedag

                                         

                                          • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                            CadSoft Guest

                                            Joern Paschedag schrieb:

                                             

                                            Time to say goodbye.. after 25 years.

                                             

                                            Indeed (27 for me).

                                             

                                            I was really hoping that V8 would be a step forward, but this license

                                            model is an absolute no-go.

                                             

                                            Farewell,

                                            Tilmann

                                             

                                             

                                              • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                CadSoft Guest

                                                On 18/01/2017 8:34 p.m., Tilmann Reh wrote:

                                                Joern Paschedag schrieb:

                                                 

                                                Time to say goodbye.. after 25 years.

                                                 

                                                Indeed (27 for me).

                                                 

                                                I was really hoping that V8 would be a step forward, but this license

                                                model is an absolute no-go.

                                                 

                                                Farewell,

                                                Tilmann

                                                 

                                                 

                                                I see no difference to that vehemently shouted down last time.

                                                 

                                                I too won't support a product that compels connection to the internet

                                                beyond initial registration.

                                                 

                                                Warren

                                                 

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                                                  • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                    CadSoft Guest

                                                    On 18/01/17 08:10, warrenbrayshaw wrote:

                                                    On 18/01/2017 8:34 p.m., Tilmann Reh wrote:

                                                    Joern Paschedag schrieb:

                                                     

                                                    Time to say goodbye.. after 25 years.

                                                     

                                                    Indeed (27 for me).

                                                     

                                                    I was really hoping that V8 would be a step forward, but this license

                                                    model is an absolute no-go.

                                                     

                                                    Farewell,

                                                    Tilmann

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    I see no difference to that vehemently shouted down last time.

                                                     

                                                    I too won't support a product that compels connection to the internet

                                                    beyond initial registration.

                                                     

                                                    Indeed.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                  CadSoft Guest

                                                  Joern Paschedag schrieb:

                                                   

                                                  Time to say goodbye.. after 25 years.

                                                   

                                                  Indeed (27 for me).

                                                   

                                                  I was really hoping that V8 would be a step forward, but this license

                                                  model is an absolute no-go.

                                                   

                                                  Farewell,

                                                  Tilmann

                                                   

                                                   

                                                • Re: When is Eagle v8 co ming out?
                                                  Justynb

                                                  Jorge Garcia wrote on Tue, 17 January 2017 17:18

                                                  - EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts from

                                                   

                                                  the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you go on a

                                                   

                                                  business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything like that.

                                                   

                                                  It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

                                                  offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

                                                  able to work.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  Hi Jorge,

                                                   

                                                  This is obviously very unwelcome news, but I was expecting it.

                                                   

                                                  Autodesk will be under immense pressure to make sure this is not

                                                  problematic for any users. In fact I have never, ever used a piece of

                                                  software with this kind of licensing that did not occasionally fail to

                                                  authenticate for some reason (ie due to a OS update rendering the license's

                                                  system verification incompatible).

                                                   

                                                  I'd be grateful if you could answer two important questions.

                                                   

                                                  1) Will Eagle still allow you to fully inspect designs in read-only mode

                                                  while completely offline for more than 14 days (or without an Autodesk

                                                  account at all).

                                                   

                                                  2) Will the file formats for boards, schematics and libraries all still be

                                                  plain (non-obfuscated) XML? This is very important if we are to trust our

                                                  designs to a piece of software that it may not be possible to run at some

                                                  point in the future (due to changes at Autodesk or the ownership of Eagle,

                                                  for example).

                                                   

                                                  Thanks.

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                                                    • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                      CadSoft Guest

                                                      Hi Jorge,

                                                       

                                                      This is obviously very unwelcome news, but I was expecting it.

                                                       

                                                      Autodesk will be under immense pressure to make sure this is not

                                                      problematic for any users. In fact I have never, ever used a piece of

                                                      software with this kind of licensing that did not occasionally fail to

                                                      authenticate for some reason (ie due to a OS update rendering the license's

                                                      system verification incompatible).

                                                       

                                                      I'd be grateful if you could answer two important questions.

                                                       

                                                      1) Will Eagle still allow you to fully inspect designs in read-only mode

                                                      while completely offline for more than 14 days (or without an Autodesk

                                                      account at all).

                                                       

                                                      As of right now it becomes unusable. I was not aware of that, I will

                                                      bring it to the attention of management immediately to see if this can

                                                      be changed. Having it as a reader shouldn't conflict with Autodesk

                                                      policies.

                                                       

                                                      You need to have an Autodesk account, even to use the freeware. They are

                                                      easy to obtain from accounts.autodesk.com

                                                       

                                                      2) Will the file formats for boards, schematics and libraries all still be

                                                      plain (non-obfuscated) XML? This is very important if we are to trust our

                                                      designs to a piece of software that it may not be possible to run at some

                                                      point in the future (due to changes at Autodesk or the ownership of Eagle,

                                                      for example).

                                                       

                                                      Yes, we will continue to be XML.

                                                       

                                                      Best Regards,

                                                      Jorge Garcia

                                                       

                                                       

                                                        • Re: When is Eagle v8 co ming out?
                                                          Justynb

                                                          Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 12:41

                                                          1) Will Eagle still allow you to fully inspect designs in

                                                          read-only mode

                                                          while completely offline for more than 14 days (or without an

                                                          Autodesk

                                                          account at all).

                                                           

                                                          As of right now it becomes unusable. I was not aware of that, I will

                                                          bring it to the attention of management immediately to see if this can

                                                           

                                                          be changed. Having it as a reader shouldn't conflict with Autodesk

                                                          policies.

                                                           

                                                          You need to have an Autodesk account, even to use the freeware. They

                                                          are

                                                          easy to obtain from accounts.autodesk.com

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          Hi Jorge,

                                                           

                                                          Thanks for explaining, and bringing up this issue with management.

                                                           

                                                          I see it as a serious problem if it is not possible, after installing

                                                          Eagle, to even inspect designs without an internet connection and working

                                                          license situation.

                                                           

                                                          No license enforcement software is perfect. As well as issues with

                                                          connectivity, I have had problems in the past where a system update since a

                                                          piece of software was last used has broken the license checking mechanism,

                                                          requiring an update from the software provider.

                                                           

                                                          As it stands you are telling us that under any of the following conditions

                                                          we would no longer be able to use Eagle at all:

                                                           

                                                          1) You are currently without a working internet connection and you are not

                                                          signed in (or last used Eagle more than 14 days ago)

                                                          2) The Autodesk license server is temporarily down and you are not signed

                                                          in (or last used Eagle more than 14 days ago)

                                                          3) An operating system update has broken the license enforcement mechanism

                                                          and a fix has not yet been released

                                                           

                                                          It is of course potentially very problematic that Eagle should lose any

                                                          functionality in such conditions, but it sounds like Autodesk won't budge

                                                          on it.

                                                           

                                                          Therefore I think it is very important that in ALL of these situations,

                                                          Eagle at the very least falls back to being a fully functional reader.

                                                           

                                                          Imagine being at a factory in China and being unable to properly check an

                                                          urgent design query because you don't have an internet connection? Or you

                                                          do have a connection, but there is some kind of software issue caused by

                                                          your OS? You must at least be able to inspect the designs, even if you

                                                          can't modify them.

                                                           

                                                          This is absolutely critical stuff.

                                                           

                                                          Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 12:41

                                                          Yes, we will continue to be XML.

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          Better news thanks!

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                                                      • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                        CadSoft Guest

                                                        On 17.01.2017 23:18, Jorge Garcia wrote:

                                                         

                                                        - EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts from

                                                        the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you go on a

                                                        business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything like that.

                                                        It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

                                                        offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

                                                        able to work.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        Thats already a showstopper for me. I do field campaigns in very remote

                                                        areas of the planet and they are longer then 2 weeks. Is EAGLE going to

                                                        work at least as a viewer without a license after the 2 weeks?

                                                         

                                                        Markus

                                                         

                                                         

                                                          • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                            CadSoft Guest

                                                            Thats already a showstopper for me. I do field campaigns in very remote

                                                            areas of the planet and they are longer then 2 weeks. Is EAGLE going to

                                                            work at least as a viewer without a license after the 2 weeks?

                                                             

                                                            Markus

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            Hi Markus,

                                                             

                                                            For now it won't, but I've brought to the attention of management. Let's

                                                            see what they say.

                                                             

                                                            Best Regards,

                                                            Jorge Garcia

                                                             

                                                          • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                            dukepro

                                                            On 01/17/2017 05:18 PM, Jorge Garcia wrote:

                                                            On 1/17/2017 2:53 PM, Joop wrote:

                                                            One of the new exciting features:

                                                             

                                                            Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

                                                            system that will require you to have an internet connection...

                                                             

                                                            They seem to have forgotten this:

                                                            Hi Joop,

                                                             

                                                            It was nice to chat with you on friday. I'll never forget that fiasco

                                                            with Newark. There were a lot of factors that made that implementation

                                                            unuseable. I've played with this one. Even though I know that any

                                                            change in this area is going to be met with resistance, this

                                                            implementation is probably the least annoying.

                                                             

                                                            So here are the details:

                                                            - Gone are key files and installation codes. No more having to store

                                                            them or remembering where you put them. Now your EAGLE license will be

                                                            tied to you Autodesk Account.

                                                             

                                                            I have never considered storing a key file, nor remembering where it's

                                                            stored, as problems.

                                                             

                                                            When EAGLE starts up for the first time you will have to login to your

                                                            Autodesk Account and EAGLE will hit the Autodesk server to check your

                                                            entitlement(this is what Autodesk calls your license).

                                                             

                                                            If everything checks out, you'll be greeted with the control panel. If

                                                            you close EAGLE and open it again it will automatically use the

                                                            credentials you supplied previously and just start.

                                                             

                                                            - EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts

                                                            from the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you

                                                            go on a business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything

                                                            like that. It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and

                                                            then go offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you

                                                            won't be able to work.

                                                             

                                                            That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

                                                            to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

                                                             

                                                            So, Eagle is going to be rented software.  One of the nice things about

                                                            Eagle is that I can use it on a secured system (one that's not connected

                                                            to the Internet).  I guess that's out the window with v8.

                                                             

                                                            This also means that the sales model is no longer a purchase, but

                                                            instead it is now rented.  The customer now must repeatedly ask

                                                            permission to use the software at least every 14 days.

                                                             

                                                            Jorge, I'm sure that everyone reading this is aware of the threat of

                                                            cyber attacks.  Such attacks are growing both in frequency and

                                                            sophistication.  It is only a matter of time before a Denial-Of-Service

                                                            (DOS) attack makes most cloud servers in accessible, perhaps as

                                                            collateral damage from an attack on a different target.  The best way to

                                                            counter such attacks is to use distributed resources.  And the best

                                                            distributed resource model is one that the client doesn't need to get on

                                                            the Internet at all, which has been Cadsoft's model.

                                                             

                                                            It's been asked in this thread just how long AutoDesk intends to

                                                            authorize any particular license without imposing a renewal fee.  Will I

                                                            be able to use v8 even when support for it has long vanished?  A poster

                                                            on this thread has already mentioned that he does extended work in

                                                            locations where the Internet is not accessible.

                                                             

                                                            I'll add to that that only a limited number of my machines have

                                                            connectivity to the Internet.  Version 7 will become the last version

                                                            that is installed on them.

                                                             

                                                            This is the same licensing model Fusion uses and it seems to be

                                                            working pretty good for them.

                                                             

                                                            Well, Fusion is cloud based, which means that it's rented, and that the

                                                            customer's intellectual property (IP) is stored on AutoDesk's servers,

                                                            which are not controlled or secured by the customer.  Funny...  They

                                                            boast that one can do 3D CAD design from anywhere (phone, table,

                                                            desktop).  Shouldn't that be qualified as "anywhere that is Internet

                                                            accessible"?

                                                             

                                                            All in all, I'm not happy with this move.  I'll continue to use v7 under

                                                            the current license agreement, and will forego upgrading to v8.

                                                             

                                                            I'd like to know if AD has any solution for off-network machines.

                                                             

                                                            Best regards,

                                                                - Chuck

                                                             

                                                             

                                                              • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                CadSoft Guest

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

                                                                to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

                                                                 

                                                                So, Eagle is going to be rented software.  One of the nice things about

                                                                Eagle is that I can use it on a secured system (one that's not connected

                                                                to the Internet).  I guess that's out the window with v8.

                                                                 

                                                                This also means that the sales model is no longer a purchase, but

                                                                instead it is now rented.  The customer now must repeatedly ask

                                                                permission to use the software at least every 14 days.

                                                                 

                                                                Just to clarify, you don't have to login every 14 days. EAGLE needs to

                                                                be able to reach the server at least once every 14 days. You are correct

                                                                in that EAGLE is now a subscription model. You can pay for it on a

                                                                yearly basis or if you only work occasionally on EAGLE you can choose to

                                                                pay monthly.

                                                                 

                                                                Jorge, I'm sure that everyone reading this is aware of the threat of

                                                                cyber attacks.  Such attacks are growing both in frequency and

                                                                sophistication.  It is only a matter of time before a Denial-Of-Service

                                                                (DOS) attack makes most cloud servers in accessible, perhaps as

                                                                collateral damage from an attack on a different target.  The best way to

                                                                counter such attacks is to use distributed resources.  And the best

                                                                distributed resource model is one that the client doesn't need to get on

                                                                the Internet at all, which has been Cadsoft's model.

                                                                 

                                                                It's been asked in this thread just how long AutoDesk intends to

                                                                authorize any particular license without imposing a renewal fee.

                                                                See my answer above.

                                                                   Will I

                                                                be able to use v8 even when support for it has long vanished?  A poster

                                                                on this thread has already mentioned that he does extended work in

                                                                locations where the Internet is not accessible.

                                                                Fusion updates continously so as long as you pay the subscription fee

                                                                you are always using the latest features and moving your files forward.

                                                                 

                                                                As it stands now if you are not on subscription you won't be able to use

                                                                EAGLE v8 or any other version that may come out in the future. It

                                                                behaves like an electric bill, if you don't pay it the power gets shut off.

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                I'd like to know if AD has any solution for off-network machines.

                                                                 

                                                                At this point in time and under this licensing mechanism there is no

                                                                solution for off-network machines. There are other schemes at ADSK that

                                                                do allow off-network licenses, but EAGLE doesn't currently have them. I

                                                                will be making our management aware of this full thread to see what

                                                                improvements can be made.

                                                                 

                                                                Autodesk is full subscription going forward and this position is

                                                                non-negotiable. I know that for a lot of you this is not good news, but

                                                                there's not much that can be done about it.

                                                                 

                                                                I'm truly sorry guys.

                                                                Jorge Garcia

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                  • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                    CadSoft Guest

                                                                     

                                                                    As it stands now if you are not on subscription you won't be able to use

                                                                    EAGLE v8 or any other version that may come out in the future. It

                                                                    behaves like an electric bill, if you don't pay it the power gets shut off.

                                                                     

                                                                    This excludes the freeware, because the freeware is free. All you need

                                                                    to use it is an Autodesk account. My comment above only concerns paid

                                                                    licenses. I read it again and wanted to make sure that it's clear, we

                                                                    still have a freeware and it's still free.

                                                                     

                                                                    Best Regards,

                                                                    Jorge Garcia

                                                                     

                                                                     

                                                                    • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                      shabaz

                                                                      Hi Jorge,

                                                                       

                                                                      What will be the rental (subscription) cost for the 'EAGLE Make' version?

                                                                      To be honest I don't necessarily mind subscription provided that over the long run it works out cheaper than renewing under the old model, so if there is (say) a major release each year, and it would have cost (say) 100 euro per release with the older non-subscription model, then (say) 200 euro for three years under subscription  (i.e. $8 per month) looks really good.

                                                                       

                                                                      Some people stay on older releases to save costs, so they will be less inclined to do that if they see that they can continue to have the latest release if they want it, at a lower overall cost.

                                                                       

                                                                      But it does have to work really well, there is nothing more frustrating than swapping out some hardware on the PC and finding that the software locks up and an e-mail needs to be sent.

                                                                       

                                                                      Anyway, this is just a single opinion, I know others have used EAGLE for a lot longer than me and know the commercial models a lot better than me, and I truly respect their opinion. I just wanted to provide some input from a personal user perspective, for EAGLE Make version only.

                                                                        • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                          Ed Robledo

                                                                          On 01/18/2017 01:14 PM, shabaz wrote:

                                                                          Hi Jorge,

                                                                           

                                                                          What will be the rental (subscription) cost for the 'EAGLE Make' version?

                                                                          To be honest I don't necessarily mind subscription provided that over the long run it works out cheaper than renewing under the old model, so if there is (say) a major release each year, and it would have cost (say)

                                                                           

                                                                          100 euro per release with the older non-subscription model, then (say)

                                                                          200 euro for three years under subscription  (i.e. $8 per month) looks

                                                                          really good.

                                                                           

                                                                          Some people stay on older releases to save costs, so they will be less inclined to do that if they see that they can continue to have the latest release if they want it, at a lower overall cost.

                                                                           

                                                                          But it does have to work really well, there is nothing more frustrating than swapping out some hardware on the PC and finding that the software locks up and an e-mail needs to be sent.

                                                                           

                                                                          Anyway, this is just a single opinion, I know others have used EAGLE for a lot longer than me and know the commercial models a lot better than me, and I

                                                                           

                                                                          truly respect their opinion. I just wanted to provide some input from a

                                                                          personal user perspective, for EAGLE Make version only.

                                                                           

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                                                                          Hi Shabaz,

                                                                          Pricing structure will be officially announced soon enough, there will

                                                                          be pricing options that are really close to your request.  EAGLE will be

                                                                          tied to your Autodesk Account, so no matter what happens as long as you

                                                                          have online access you should be able to activate EAGLE.  As stated

                                                                          earlier, the free version will remain available.

                                                                          Your participation and comments on the Forum are greatly appreciated.

                                                                          Ed

                                                                           

                                                                        • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                          CadSoft Guest

                                                                          On 18/01/17 17:53, Jorge Garcia wrote:

                                                                          You are correct in that EAGLE is now a subscription model.

                                                                           

                                                                          That's a complete show-stopper for me.

                                                                           

                                                                           

                                                                          • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                            CadSoft Guest

                                                                            On 18/01/17 17:53, Jorge Garcia wrote:

                                                                            You are correct in that EAGLE is now a subscription model.

                                                                             

                                                                            That's a complete show-stopper for me.

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            • Re: When is Eagle v8 co ming out?
                                                                              CadSoft Guest

                                                                              Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 17:53

                                                                               

                                                                              <snip>

                                                                               

                                                                              At this point in time and under this licensing mechanism there is no

                                                                              solution for off-network machines. There are other schemes at ADSK that

                                                                               

                                                                              do allow off-network licenses, but EAGLE doesn't currently have them. I

                                                                               

                                                                              will be making our management aware of this full thread to see what

                                                                              improvements can be made.

                                                                               

                                                                              Autodesk is full subscription going forward and this position is

                                                                              non-negotiable. I know that for a lot of you this is not good news, but

                                                                               

                                                                              there's not much that can be done about it.

                                                                               

                                                                              I'm truly sorry guys.

                                                                              Jorge Garcia

                                                                               

                                                                               

                                                                              There's no need to be sorry Jorge. Either EAGLE customers will accept this

                                                                              change or they won't.  I hope Autodesk did a lot of research into the mess

                                                                              that Farnell made with v7.0 licensing and have thought through how people

                                                                              use EAGLE.

                                                                               

                                                                              I have a question about the subscription model.  Say I subscribe at v8.0

                                                                              and continue subscription until v8.2 comes out.  Then I stop subscribing.

                                                                              Can I continue to use v8.2 indefinitely?

                                                                               

                                                                              One other question:  The website says the "Standard" license is 2-signal

                                                                              layers and "Premium" is 16 layers.   Is the 2-signal layers a typo?  What

                                                                              happened to the 6-layer level in between (formerly called Standard before

                                                                              Autodesk changed the names)?

                                                                               

                                                                              Finally, consider businesses (like mine, Stratford Digital) who stake their

                                                                              reputation on EAGLE.  If I can't work because of something out of my

                                                                              control (autodesk's server is down, internet between here and there is not

                                                                              working, ...) then I may not be able to deliver and that looks bad on me.

                                                                              As a professional, I can't just blame the tools.  That is one of the main

                                                                              reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

                                                                              every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please the

                                                                              licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

                                                                              hope that this will still continue to be the case.

                                                                               

                                                                              Cheers,

                                                                               

                                                                              James.

                                                                              --

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                                                                              Order your EAGLE license from Stratford Digital at

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                                                                                • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                                  CadSoft Guest

                                                                                  On 19.01.2017 03:05, James Morrison wrote:

                                                                                  That is one of the main

                                                                                  reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

                                                                                  every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please the

                                                                                  licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

                                                                                  hope that this will still continue to be the case.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Cheers,

                                                                                   

                                                                                  James.

                                                                                   

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Fully ACK.

                                                                                   

                                                                                    • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                                      CadSoft Guest

                                                                                      Am 19.01.2017 um 10:29 schrieb Markus Rudolf:

                                                                                      On 19.01.2017 03:05, James Morrison wrote:

                                                                                      That is one of the main

                                                                                      reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

                                                                                      every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please

                                                                                      the

                                                                                      licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

                                                                                      hope that this will still continue to be the case.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Cheers,

                                                                                       

                                                                                      James.

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Fully ACK.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      INDEED

                                                                                       

                                                                                      --

                                                                                      Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Joern Paschedag

                                                                                       

                                                                                    • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                                      Ed Robledo

                                                                                      Hi James,

                                                                                      I am certain Jorge will also chime into this thread, but I will do my

                                                                                      best to be as accurate as possible on some of the points made.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      On 01/18/2017 09:05 PM, James Morrison wrote:

                                                                                      Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 17:53

                                                                                       

                                                                                      <snip>

                                                                                       

                                                                                      At this point in time and under this licensing mechanism there is no

                                                                                      solution for off-network machines. There are other schemes at ADSK that

                                                                                       

                                                                                      do allow off-network licenses, but EAGLE doesn't currently have them. I

                                                                                       

                                                                                      will be making our management aware of this full thread to see what

                                                                                      improvements can be made.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Autodesk is full subscription going forward and this position is

                                                                                      non-negotiable. I know that for a lot of you this is not good news, but

                                                                                       

                                                                                      there's not much that can be done about it.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I'm truly sorry guys.

                                                                                      Jorge Garcia

                                                                                       

                                                                                      There's no need to be sorry Jorge. Either EAGLE customers will accept this

                                                                                      change or they won't.  I hope Autodesk did a lot of research into the mess

                                                                                      that Farnell made with v7.0 licensing and have thought through how people

                                                                                      use EAGLE.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I have a question about the subscription model.  Say I subscribe at v8.0

                                                                                      and continue subscription until v8.2 comes out.  Then I stop subscribing.

                                                                                      Can I continue to use v8.2 indefinitely?

                                                                                       

                                                                                      After the terms of the subscription have ended, the program will have

                                                                                      the limitation of the free version.

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                      One other question:  The website says the "Standard" license is 2-signal

                                                                                      layers and "Premium" is 16 layers.   Is the 2-signal layers a typo?  What

                                                                                      happened to the 6-layer level in between (formerly called Standard before

                                                                                      Autodesk changed the names)?

                                                                                       

                                                                                      That is not a typo, the standard edition of Autdesk EAGLE supports 2

                                                                                      layers. If there is a need of more than 2 layers, then a Premium

                                                                                      subscription will be required. EAGLE is no longer subject to a specific

                                                                                      board size, with this new model size limitation is by area.

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Finally, consider businesses (like mine, Stratford Digital) who stake their

                                                                                      reputation on EAGLE.  If I can't work because of something out of my

                                                                                      control (autodesk's server is down, internet between here and there is not

                                                                                      working, ...) then I may not be able to deliver and that looks bad on me.

                                                                                      As a professional, I can't just blame the tools.  That is one of the main

                                                                                      reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

                                                                                      every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please the

                                                                                      licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

                                                                                      hope that this will still continue to be the case.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      EAGLE will continue to work normally offline for 14 days. Continued

                                                                                      development is committed to support all platforms and offer you a

                                                                                      program with the stability you are use to.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I hope this helps.

                                                                                      Best Regards,

                                                                                      Ed

                                                                                      edwin.robledo@autodesk.com

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Cheers,

                                                                                       

                                                                                      James.

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                    • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                                      CadSoft Guest

                                                                                      On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 12:53:07 -0500, Jorge Garcia

                                                                                      <jorge@cadsoftusa.com> wrote:

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                      At this point in time and under this licensing mechanism there is no

                                                                                      solution for off-network machines. There are other schemes at ADSK that

                                                                                      do allow off-network licenses, but EAGLE doesn't currently have them. I

                                                                                      will be making our management aware of this full thread to see what

                                                                                      improvements can be made.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Here's my situation.  My company manufactures induction heaters.  The

                                                                                      PCB is off-line.  That is, it is at line potential.  I have a laptop

                                                                                      dedicated to that board.  When it's time to burn an upgrade, debug or

                                                                                      use the ICE, this laptop is unplugged and runs on battery.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      We don't use WiFi around here for security reasons.  That computer

                                                                                      never has and never will be connected to the Internet.  New material

                                                                                      gets transferred the old fashioned way - sneakernet with thumb drives.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Now I can keep the schematic and board layout in windows so I don't

                                                                                      have to clutter my bench with papers.  Since Eagle has been

                                                                                      autodesked, I can no long do my job using Eagle software.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      My solution, of course, is KiCAD so it really doesn't matter to me

                                                                                      what AutoDesk does.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I would be interested to learn how much revenue this move costs

                                                                                      AutoDesk as people migrate to other solutions.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      John

                                                                                       

                                                                                      John DeArmond

                                                                                      http://www.neon-john.com

                                                                                      http://www.tnduction.com

                                                                                      Tellico Plains, Occupied TN

                                                                                      See website for email address

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                        • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming   out?
                                                                                          rachaelp

                                                                                          John DeArmond wrote:

                                                                                           

                                                                                          Now I can keep the schematic and board layout in windows so I don't

                                                                                          have to clutter my bench with papers. Since Eagle has been

                                                                                          autodesked, I can no long do my job using Eagle software.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          My solution, of course, is KiCAD so it really doesn't matter to me

                                                                                          what AutoDesk does.

                                                                                          You can continue doing your job with the current version of EAGLE which you already own without issue. That license isn't going away just because v8 has been released with a subscription model. You just won't be able to upgrade to v8 on this machine.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          Whilst I appreciate people are not happy with EAGLE going subscription based for v8, there is no need for everybody to suddenly migrate all their systems to another package immediately as existing licenses will continue to be valid indefinitely. Yes you might not be willing to use the subscription based version, but there is plenty of time to see how things play out and, if needed, migrate to a package which suits your needs better.

                                                                                            • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                                              dukepro

                                                                                              On 01/22/2017 01:24 PM, rachaelp wrote:

                                                                                               

                                                                                              Whilst I appreciate people are not happy with EAGLE going subscription based for v8, there is no need for everybody to suddenly migrate all their systems to another package immediately as existing licenses will continue to be valid indefinitely. Yes you might not be willing to use the subscription based version, but there is plenty of time to see how things play out and, if needed, migrate to a package which suits your needs better.

                                                                                               

                                                                                              Well spaketh!

                                                                                               

                                                                                              I'm not switching to Kicad - I have too much invested in Eagle to do

                                                                                              something as brash as changing CAD programs.  However, I will have to

                                                                                              live with v7.7 for some time.

                                                                                               

                                                                                              Enjoy,

                                                                                                  - Chuck

                                                                                               

                                                                                      • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                                        dukepro

                                                                                        On 01/17/2017 05:18 PM, Jorge Garcia wrote:

                                                                                        On 1/17/2017 2:53 PM, Joop wrote:

                                                                                        One of the new exciting features:

                                                                                         

                                                                                        Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

                                                                                        system that will require you to have an internet connection...

                                                                                         

                                                                                        They seem to have forgotten this:

                                                                                        Hi Joop,

                                                                                         

                                                                                        It was nice to chat with you on friday. I'll never forget that fiasco

                                                                                        with Newark. There were a lot of factors that made that implementation

                                                                                        unuseable. I've played with this one. Even though I know that any

                                                                                        change in this area is going to be met with resistance, this

                                                                                        implementation is probably the least annoying.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        So here are the details:

                                                                                        - Gone are key files and installation codes. No more having to store

                                                                                        them or remembering where you put them. Now your EAGLE license will be

                                                                                        tied to you Autodesk Account.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        I have never considered storing a key file, nor remembering where it's

                                                                                        stored, as problems.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        When EAGLE starts up for the first time you will have to login to your

                                                                                        Autodesk Account and EAGLE will hit the Autodesk server to check your

                                                                                        entitlement(this is what Autodesk calls your license).

                                                                                         

                                                                                        If everything checks out, you'll be greeted with the control panel. If

                                                                                        you close EAGLE and open it again it will automatically use the

                                                                                        credentials you supplied previously and just start.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        - EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts

                                                                                        from the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you

                                                                                        go on a business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything

                                                                                        like that. It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and

                                                                                        then go offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you

                                                                                        won't be able to work.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

                                                                                        to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        So, Eagle is going to be rented software.  One of the nice things about

                                                                                        Eagle is that I can use it on a secured system (one that's not connected

                                                                                        to the Internet).  I guess that's out the window with v8.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        This also means that the sales model is no longer a purchase, but

                                                                                        instead it is now rented.  The customer now must repeatedly ask

                                                                                        permission to use the software at least every 14 days.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        Jorge, I'm sure that everyone reading this is aware of the threat of

                                                                                        cyber attacks.  Such attacks are growing both in frequency and

                                                                                        sophistication.  It is only a matter of time before a Denial-Of-Service

                                                                                        (DOS) attack makes most cloud servers in accessible, perhaps as

                                                                                        collateral damage from an attack on a different target.  The best way to

                                                                                        counter such attacks is to use distributed resources.  And the best

                                                                                        distributed resource model is one that the client doesn't need to get on

                                                                                        the Internet at all, which has been Cadsoft's model.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        It's been asked in this thread just how long AutoDesk intends to

                                                                                        authorize any particular license without imposing a renewal fee.  Will I

                                                                                        be able to use v8 even when support for it has long vanished?  A poster

                                                                                        on this thread has already mentioned that he does extended work in

                                                                                        locations where the Internet is not accessible.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        I'll add to that that only a limited number of my machines have

                                                                                        connectivity to the Internet.  Version 7 will become the last version

                                                                                        that is installed on them.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        This is the same licensing model Fusion uses and it seems to be

                                                                                        working pretty good for them.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        Well, Fusion is cloud based, which means that it's rented, and that the

                                                                                        customer's intellectual property (IP) is stored on AutoDesk's servers,

                                                                                        which are not controlled or secured by the customer.  Funny...  They

                                                                                        boast that one can do 3D CAD design from anywhere (phone, table,

                                                                                        desktop).  Shouldn't that be qualified as "anywhere that is Internet

                                                                                        accessible"?

                                                                                         

                                                                                        All in all, I'm not happy with this move.  I'll continue to use v7 under

                                                                                        the current license agreement, and will forego upgrading to v8.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        I'd like to know if AD has any solution for off-network machines.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        Best regards,

                                                                                            - Chuck

                                                                                         

                                                                                         

                                                                                    • Re: When is Eagle v8 co ming out?
                                                                                      Joop14

                                                                                      One of the new exciting features:

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

                                                                                      system that will require you to have an internet connection...

                                                                                       

                                                                                      They seem to have forgotten this:

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Quote:

                                                                                      Dear Valued EAGLE Customer,

                                                                                       

                                                                                      With the release of EAGLE v7, CadSoft Computer introduced a new

                                                                                      License Management system for EAGLE in order to better protect

                                                                                      our intellectual property and offer more flexibility and control

                                                                                      to customers with multi-user licenses on a network. During the

                                                                                      two weeks since the launch of EAGLE v7, we have been listening

                                                                                      carefully to your constructive feedback and concerns about the

                                                                                      new License Management technology and have decided to remove the

                                                                                      license management features from EAGLE v7.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      CadSoft Computer has always, and will always, put the customer

                                                                                      needs at the focus of everything we do. We understand that for a

                                                                                      large group of our customers the current License Management is

                                                                                      causing limitations or is simply not usable in your current work

                                                                                      flow. Therefore, we have decided to withdraw the new License

                                                                                      Management system with immediate effect.

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                      http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/t/49854/c7286ef7ecac30e5ec09e9251159f508/

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

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                                                                                      • Re: When is Eagle v8 co ming out?
                                                                                        Joop14

                                                                                        No need to throw out the key files and registration codes.

                                                                                        Nobody asked for that, they have been working fine.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        What happens when Autodesk pull the plug from their authentication server?

                                                                                         

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                                                                                        CadSoft Computer has always, and will always, put the customer

                                                                                        needs at the focus of everything we do.

                                                                                         

                                                                                         

                                                                                        We will see how that is going to work out this time...

                                                                                         

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                                                                                        • Re: When is Eagle v8 co ming out?
                                                                                          Joop14

                                                                                          No need to throw out the key files and registration codes.

                                                                                          Nobody asked for that, they have been working fine.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          What happens when Autodesk pull the plug from their authentication server?

                                                                                           

                                                                                          Quote:

                                                                                          CadSoft Computer has always, and will always, put the customer

                                                                                          needs at the focus of everything we do.

                                                                                           

                                                                                           

                                                                                          We will see how that is going to work out this time...

                                                                                           

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                                                                                            • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming   out?
                                                                                              CadSoft Guest

                                                                                              I dont like this renting software model: I would prefer to pay for it, and use it with or without being online and get free updates as they become available. ~ Similiar to buying software on the Apple App Store.

                                                                                               

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                                                                                                • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming out?
                                                                                                  CadSoft Guest

                                                                                                  On 19.01.2017 03:26, Josh Hewson wrote:

                                                                                                  I dont like this renting software model: I would prefer to pay for it, and use it with or without being online and get free updates as they become available. ~ Similiar to buying software on the Apple App Store.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  I agree to this. I don't like to be held hostage (* see below) by some

                                                                                                  unknown  future company policy. I find the "old" sw model very reliable,

                                                                                                  as it doesn't matter what the future brings.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  I do see sw/apps changing toward subscription models and I don't like

                                                                                                  it. In fact I try to stay away from it. If my kid wants to play a game

                                                                                                  on the ipad and I can buy it for $5, I may do that. If they want $1 a

                                                                                                  month, by principle I don't buy it, even if I know the kid will be tired

                                                                                                  of the game within a month. It is just the amount of involvement that

                                                                                                  puts me off. I have to start getting mentally involved, like thinking

                                                                                                  "but what happens after I pay for a month and a month has passed? Will

                                                                                                  they automatically charge me again? For how long?", so I just don't go

                                                                                                  there. I prefer paying some extra to get all that out of my head.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  My biggest worry is some kind of future change "outside your walls" that

                                                                                                  will render the software unusable and basically ask for ransom in a

                                                                                                  social acceptable way, like require you to pay for soft or hw updates. I

                                                                                                  think sw companies are really taking advantage of customers that don't

                                                                                                  read or care about the license agreements because they are unable to

                                                                                                  understand any consequences.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  When it comes to Eagle 8, I don't know what to do yet. I am not

                                                                                                  comfortable upgrading, but may end up doing it after all if I find the

                                                                                                  new features worthy, but it will leave me with some discomfort, like

                                                                                                  loosing another battle. Investigating what Kicad can do is very

                                                                                                  tempting, and I feel I should enforce my strong opinion as customer too.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  (*) I have seen this hostage situation happen on my old gen1 ipad, where

                                                                                                  apps stop working and deny upgrades unless you have latest iOS, even if

                                                                                                  the old hardware is perfectly capable of doing the job. It is just too

                                                                                                  much hassle for them to support all iOS versions. I think we will see

                                                                                                  more of these issues in the future.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                   

                                                                                              • Re: When is Eagle v8 coming   out?
                                                                                                piranha

                                                                                                I do not like this renting software model: I would prefer to pay for it. Use it with or without being online and get free updates as they become available. ~ Similiar to buying software on the Apple App Store

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                This is a no-go for me.