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      • 30. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
        raspberrypitechguy

        Well ya certainly hooked me to Project14 with that pi4 then the great potential prizes of the holiday special 2020!

         

        I really appreciate you making the project14 program great. keep it up!

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        • 31. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
          Fred27

          Some great points about often seeing Top Members, high level and other familiar faces among the winners - although perhaps it's no surprise that people who create good quality entries become those things.

           

          How about a Project 14 specifically for people who either haven't entered (or haven't won a prize) before? Previous winners can't enter but are asked to support the entries from those new to it or to judge the submissions.

           

          If there were more entrants for each one I'd suggest a "new entrant" prize could be added to the regular monthly Project 14, but that might end up being given out by default.

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          • 32. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
            tariq.ahmad

            Hi Fred27 ,

             

            Just a little perspective.   I think what I am trying to understand with this is people's motivations for participating in Project14 competitions as well as what things should be changed and what should not be touched, and if there is anything else that we can do more of or less of when planning out the 2021 activity calendar.   Other than monthly project competitions,   some activities that we've done that have been a bit different are 10 Year Challenge | Tell Us What You Can't Live Without for an ESP8266, Arduino Uno, or Arduino Nano!Project14 | Live Stream & Giveaway: Learn About Using the MATRIX Creator in Home Automation Projects!Project14 | Recorded Live Stream: Robotics: Tribute to Gordon McComb: Community Presenters with Special Guest MATRIX Labs!Project14 | Celebrate Makevember by Posting Projects in Any Past or Current Theme!Winners Announced:  Vintage Upcycling with Raspberry Pi or Arduino Workshop (Zero to Hero) Series (Win a Free Book and a Raspberry Pi or Arduino)! ,     and the PYNQ Workshop .    Are there new kinds of activities that we can do to bring new people into active participants in these programs in particular and into the wider community as a whole so they can participate in things like RoadTests & ReviewsWebinars, Training and EventsDesign Challenges ,  and element14 presents activities.    One thing that is a bit different with Project14 is that it is completely member driven whereas RoadTests & Reviews , Webinars, Training and Events ,  and Design Challenges are largely supplier driven.    Are there activities within Project14 that we can do within Project14 that appeal to Suppliers but still leaving things like members coming up with themes,   members voting on themes, and members deciding on the winners of themes intact?    I think that part of the program is awesome and wouldn't want to do anything to dissuade members from participating, including top members.     I also think having a bigger prize for the these smaller competitions has the potential for bringing in some really great projects and members who will stick around the community and support our many amazing programs.     What I'm particularly interested in is workshops and activities we can do around those workshops.   They can include many of the things that have been suggested here such as weekend builds,   open ended activities,  resources for novices, etc.    What I'm going to do following this thread is collect all these suggestions and put them together in a plan which I am going to pitch to my managers as I have been asked to do.

             

            At the same time,   I've been crunching some of the raw metrics for the past 4 years.   While I'm not done crunching the numbers I've found some interesting data (I'm a data nerd, its a horrible addiciton)...   84 members participated in at least one Project14 project competition over the past year,   72 the year prior,  66 the previous year, and 39 (April-December) the first year.   Most have stuck around and some have gone on to become top members.   What concerns me,  is looking year to year,  what activities can we do to encourage people that participate one year and don't come back the next year?  As we continue to evolve, and before we make any changes,  I wanted to get perspective on why someone that was enthusiastic about participating might disappear?  Are there activities beyond the project competitions that they can be a part of and continue to learn themselves, and also give members an opportunity to share their not knowledge by helping them complete their project?

             

            By having the prizes small,  you change the motivation for people participating because they aren't doing it for the prize, but primarily for fun and the learning experience.   I think it would be really cool to have a big prize (which I'd prefer to limit to something we sold in our stores such as a 3D printer or an Oscilloscope) for the best overall project, shopping carts for $100 for the next three runners up so they can use it for the next build,  and maybe adding $100 shopping carts for project proposals so people can inspire people to participate with their ideas and keep the excitement with each contest alive.    I also think there is a way to get suppliers involved through sponsored workshops.    The idea would be to keep the core program intact and maybe shifting those activities and then introducing new activities that have a more educational bent as we've done with all the workshops we've had over the past year.   It also helps me from a workload perspective because there is a lot of enthusiasm for the workshops we've introduced in the past year and my managers want me to do more of them.    What I'm proposing is if there a way to do that without fundamentally changing this program or making it into something people don't want it to be?   Wouldn't it be cool to have a Portenta H7 Workshop for example,  that is similar in style to PYNQ workshops we did last year?  Could we attract a huge audience and also get them to return for our monthly challenges?  Along those same lines can we introduce new activities that will inspire projects that use different types of boards for each of the competitions?   How about some Digital Fever (the February theme) projects that use the Arty S7 board?

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            • 33. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
              raspberrypitechguy

              What I really like about Project14 is that there are no really stressful deadlines.

               

              If I don't make the deadline, that's on me. A potential to win lost, but nothing else.

               

              As for RoadTests and Design Challenges, if you don't make the deadline you're pretty much ineligible to participate in the future.

               

              And, for RoadTests and Design Challenges you must use a supplier's device, where Project14 has a great amount of flexibility.

               

              Which is why I'm preferring project14s now

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              • 34. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
                Jan Cumps

                Fred27  wrote:

                 

                Some great points about often seeing Top Members, high level and other familiar faces among the winners - although perhaps it's no surprise that people who create good quality entries become those things.

                 

                How about a Project 14 specifically for people who either haven't entered (or haven't won a prize) before? Previous winners can't enter but are asked to support the entries from those new to it or to judge the submissions.

                 

                If there were more entrants for each one I'd suggest a "new entrant" prize could be added to the regular monthly Project 14, but that might end up being given out by default.

                I'm fed up with seeing this pop up again and again. I'm going to ask e14 to remove me from the Top Members. There's nothing to gain being in and out of it, but I don't have to deal with the drama and tears anymore.

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                • 35. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
                  raspberrypitechguy

                  I mean,

                  I'm technically new, haven't won anything, probably won't win, but frankly, Project14 gives me an excuse to do stuff and not *procrastinate*

                   

                  I guess my Corgi arduino might have a slim chance of winning, but since it was an experience to design, learn to design, learn to route, etc... it was also good SMD practice

                   

                  There are a lot of people on the top of my mind who make great projects, and they're also the most active, ranging in the yellow to red levels.

                   

                  They deserve to win.

                   

                  I'm not as good- Project14 is a contest to see who makes the funnest, unique, and creative projects. If they beat me at that, I'd concede they win, and I'd learn from them to make a better project next time.

                   

                  Of course if you'd like to reserve a prize for new members that would be appreciated

                  • 36. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
                    raspberrypitechguy

                    I frankly don't think top member really shows anything, isn't it just a small badge next to your name and some better perks?

                     

                    Whether you're in the group or not, I easily recognize the people who consistently write great roadtest reports, those that consistently make good Project14 projects, those that consistently make good design challenge ideas.

                     

                    Just my two cents, kinda.

                    • 37. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
                      raspberrypitechguy

                      I also might want to mention, as for experience, I've noticed that some people's been talking about the fact some people don't have as much experience.

                       

                      That's true.

                       

                      For me, it's fine. I accept that there are great community members and they are significantly more experienced.

                       

                      Project14 is a great way for me to see what these experienced people do, how they do it- as time passes, I get more experience and learn more stuff from these people and hopefully, one day I can reach that level of experience as well.

                      • 38. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
                        dougw

                        Thanks tariq.ahmad. That provides great insight into the program's objectives and performance. It is really good to see how much in depth effort is focused on improving the program.

                        To provide some insight into motives for someone like me: I mainly apply for Project14's when I am interested in the theme, and I intentionally refrain from tackling projects just because I could make a winning entry so that others have a better chance at them, but the potential shopping cart prize is also a big factor in whether I attempt a project I'm interested in. The shopping cart prize is very important in defraying the cost of future projects and sometimes the effort I put into a Project14 is larger because I have another project that is dependent on winning a shopping cart. Basically I have a lot of projects in various stages of planning and development. Some are just waiting for all the resources to be acquired (from sources like shopping carts) before they kick into high gear.

                        If there were Project14's where the prize was strictly something like a low cost oscilloscopeoscilloscope or handheld scopehandheld scope, which would be phenomenal prizes for a Project14, I would do some other project instead of applying. So you can target a specific technical demographic by careful selection of the prize, but if you include a shopping cart, everyone like me is interested. It might be possible to have a Project14 where there are separate prizes, one is some kit (with no shopping cart) and one is a shopping cart and the contestants state which one they are competing for.

                        Another method that would work with me is simply to state in the contest preamble that it is targeting new members or whoever. I am happy to abide by such objectives.

                        If you want to provide greater incentive to members like me , occasionally having a larger shopping cart would be very attractive. There are some items that just can't be obtained with a standard shopping cart.

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                        • 39. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
                          14rhb

                          Reading some of the comments made me think of a different style of Project14 that could be mixed in-between the existing ones, perhaps this undertaken only every other month. The idea would be for Element14 to put together a low-cost component bag that all applicants could ask to receive, the contents themselves could be up for discussion each month as we now discuss the theme. However this Project14 would be to make something interesting using 2+ of the items. The low-cost 'surprise bag' of components that sponsors maybe have donated - new product lines in the IC field are always interesting. It would be a bit like the Experimenting with Polymer Capacitors and Experimenting with Inductors challenges but with a much more random approach to the parts. For the fun and again low-cost Element14 could always draw on the bargain components that are already being sold off at reduced rates?

                           

                          As I thought this through some more I wonder if the parts aren't carefully chosen it could prevent some prospective builders from taking part e.g. inclusion of mainly SMT parts

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                          • 40. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
                            14rhb

                            Now you are privy to the inner workings of E14 I'm not sure you are allowed to leave

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                            • 41. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
                              raspberrypitechguy

                              Specific demographic? I think that oscilloscope, the bench PSU, was the main reason why I entered! I need to get tools like an oscilloscope and a PSU since I do not currently have any, and if I win, well, I'd get a boost into many things. Shopping carts are also great, I can buy parts

                               

                              I just realized with this post- many people don't treat the grand prize of a handheld scope very impressive- to me it might, but to them they have some high-fancy high tech ones and shopping carts are more useful.

                               

                              New members? New members, might be inclined towards the scope.

                               

                              • 42. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
                                raspberrypitechguy

                                Well, luckily I just had 50 SOIC8 to DIP adapters come and the 16 pin ones are coming

                                • 43. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
                                  fmilburn

                                  jancumps  wrote:


                                  I'm fed up with seeing this pop up again and again. I'm going to ask e14 to remove me from the Top Members. There's nothing to gain being in and out of it, but I don't have to deal with the drama and tears anymore.


                                  Don’t do that   I try to read pretty much everything you post.  Removing the badge might make it more difficult to spot your submissions. I agree having a badge does not change the quality of a submission or response to a discussion.  It doesn’t carry any tangible perks.

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                                  • 44. Re: What Changes Would You Like to See Made to Project14?
                                    14rhb

                                    Nice, with those adapters are you able to solder the edges down onto another PCB or stripboard without having to add 0.1" headers? I like SOIC packages for SMT, they are just right to allow me to think I'm building things with current technology whilst still being easy to hand solder.

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