16 Replies Latest reply on Mar 19, 2013 2:34 PM by DAB

# Earth has own naturar velocity  in Universe Can we use This speed for produce clean ENERGY

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When train go You will use diferent energy go to talete ( front of train ) and ( back of train )

Earth is big train and has own natural speed in universe We just must think how to use this fact in universe

See my experiment and movie

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although we are moving, in order to harness any energy it has to be relative to something else (ideally stationary in your instance).

in effect it`s the Difference in entrophy that we exploit to use energy.

however, there is One such force that exists and upon which we can gain the other pole of the battery so to speak, and that`s Gravity, in particular gravity waves, this force is easily observes when the ocean tides come in or go out, this is the effect of the Moons gravity, and so Tidal power would be the closest thing to which you descibe.

hope that helps a little

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Dear Sir THX but for better understant how I want use knoledge about Earth speed

please look on below movie - exist direction of our move that can spare a lot of energy in global transport

example : If You have army ( archer army ) how inmprtant is direction Earth velocity and ARCHER position

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since all would be stationary relative to Earths velocity, the difference would be negligable, and probably unmeasurable with respect to the arrows velocity and compression of both Space and time (as well as it`s own inertial mass and compression caused by the arrow materials elastic modulus).

Yes we are moving at a fantastic velocity, something like 29,000 MPH, but we (relative to earth) will never notice this.

I did look at your Vid, and to be honest I really didn`t understand exactly what you`re getting at, you made some factual observations, and these are indeed understood mathematically if not Scientifically, but they seemed somewhat disjointed and incongruent to me.

perhaps someone else may understand it a little better?

I would also like to point out an old saying in Physics, that "There`s no such thing as a free lunch", and although it`s highly improbable that you Could capture and use the Earths velocity effectively, over time the velocity would have to slow (since you`re stealling energy from it), which itself wouldn`t be without serious implications.

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Marosz,

You are proposing to steal the Earth's rotation momentum..,  only a good idea for a while.

Then it stops spinning, we all die.

C

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Yea, but the sun would burn us up long before we stop spinning.

Just a thought,

DAB

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There is no free energy that I am aware of, due to the cost of building and installing a system for harnessing the energy. However, after the initial costs some energy forms require no or little additional capital to operate for the life cycle of the system. The initial energy investment to produce the energy capture system should be held to a small fraction of the energy capture attainable from the life cycle of the system in order to keep the energy output per energy input ratio high.

If you could harness the momentum energy of the planets orbit you would inadvertently cause the destruction of the planet by changing its velocity and orbit. Harnessing the magnetic field energy could have similarly disastrous consequences by lowering magnetic field strength and reducing the earths natural radiation protection system.

Gravity and tidal energy can safely be harnessed without disastrous consequences.

Rich Trinca, Jr

President

UNI-T ENERGY

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Hi Richard,

You are correct.  We can pull a lot of energy from tidal forces, river flows and other fluid transfers due to gravity.  When combined with the wind, we could possibly derive a lot more energy using these renewable sources.

One problem with tidal capture is the affects on the coastal ecosystems.  Even small changes in salinity and oxygen mixing can wipe out entire species of plants and animals.

In the end, we have to acknowledge that we just do not know enough about the interrelationships of all of these factors to safely harness them for our use.

If we just double the power efficiencly of most of our electrical devices, we could help slow the energy demand by decades.

We may be able to reach a time when we can use just renewable sources, but that time is many decades away.

Just my opinion.

DAB

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@ Richard -

Since the tides are caused by the action of the moon's gravity on the mass of the seas I think that you will find that converting tidal energy into heat will reduce the moon's kinetic energy and pull it closer to the earth. The effect will be very samll and I doubt very much that we need worry over it.

As DAB says environmental effects are much more important (but need not be bad).

There is plenty of solar energy impacting on the earth - we just need to work out good ways of using it. (BTW hydro electric power is solar powered !).

MK

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Hi Michael,

There is one issue with solar energy and that is clouds.  As the earth warms up, we will get more moisture into the atmosphere, which will cut down on the amount of solar energy that will reach the ground.

Given those issues, I think that wind power is the best return on investment and is still basically solar powered.

Just a thought,

DAB

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Dab,

Some recent solar panels claim to work on cloudy days as well. Not as much energy is produced, but it is a step in the right direction.

C

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@DAB,

We have a lot of windmills in the UK and they need a huge susbsidy to get anyone to build them. More are still being built despite their completely awful performance. During a recent cold spell the entire putput of all orur windmills was less than 1%.

from windbyte.co.uk:

The fuel types graph shows the scramble to bring hydro, pumped storage, the French interconnector and even seldom used oil-fired capacity online to meet demand. Wind is not even visible on the graph, providing a mere 61MW at peak from a total UK metered capacity of 2,430MW, only 2.5% of its theoretical capacity.

This underlines National Grid’s observations on wind power generation during peak demand for the three winters previous to 2010-11:

"In terms of generation availability we saw a small contribution from wind generation at the time of the demand peak, underlining the need to discount the technical availability of intermittent generation types."

Basically windmills are a very poor solution because of the way we actually use energy - they need pretty much 100% backup capacity from some other source but are not even cheap when they run.

MK

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Hi Michael,

I agree.  The efficiencies and reliability is low.

To be really useful, we need the wind energy transformed into efficient power storage for consistent power levels on a daily basis.

The nice thing about the wind power is that it blows consistently in many areas, thus creating a known power source.

If the geological records are correct, the level of water vapor in the warming earth will eventually greatly reduce land based solar collectors.

Either way, we need to develop other sources of energy for the future.  Wind and solar are just not going to provide enough.

Just my opinion,

DAB

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I am not sure about using the earth's speed, but I know that Nicola Tesla had an idea about harnessing the movement of the earth through the Sun's magnetic field to generate power.  Unfortunately, to my knowledge he never wrote down his idea nor did he leave any designs from which we could start over.

There are many days when I wish that I understood electricity as well as Tesla did.  I often wonder what he could do with modern technology, though I think he would be dismayed by how little progress we have made on his work since his death.

As for using the earth's rotation to generate electricity, you might be able to do something by setting up a floating power station above the Troposphere.  You need to reach the interface between the part of the atmosphere that moves with the earth and the part of the atmosphere that stays mostly static at very high altitudes.

Personally, I still think the best way is to comb the atmosphere to pull down electrons suspended in the air to use them to generate power based upon the difference in static potential between different layers in the atmosphere.

See if you can define your idea a little better.

Meanwhile keep thinking, it takes inspiration and perspiration to turn an idea into a working system.

Just my opinion,

DAB

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As again mentioned by the above post, it requires that there be a Difference in potential, withough that you simply have one terminal of a battery.

another intruiging idea, not to disimilar from DABs idea, is to send a Laser Pulse up into the Ionosphere and the bits that hold the Negative potential, to create an Ionised pathway that will force a Lightening type strike to a fixed station geared to accept this type of power.

this works very well at Non polar regions, but in Polar regions there could be cascade effect that would be near impossible to quench as the magnetic fields there are incapable of "brushing it off", unlike an Equatorial region.

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You bring up a good point, but I think setting up a power system at the north and south poles might be a good idea.

You have the strongest magnetic fields on the planet, you can use the earth rotation to move huge coils, and it is already cold, so you can use some super conductors.

As the coils cut through magnetic fields, they will induce current into the system.  It may be low frequency, but the current potential would be huge.  You would also get higher frequency variations in the magnetic field due to the solar wind hitting the earth and oscillating the magnetic field everyday.

Could be an interesting research paper for some physicists.

Just a thought.

DAB