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    EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY

    Jorge_Garcia

      Hello fellow EAGLE users,

       

      I've made a simple GoogleDocs Form as a type of survey and I would like to gather as much feedback as possible. The survey has only one question: What features would you like to see in future versions of EAGLE? Simply select the radio button of the feature you'd like to see, type in a few comments if you so desire and hit the submit button. That's it.

       

      Here's the link for the form:

       

      http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dEF4MWdPVXgxNjdHMk9aWE5wOTNyQmc6MQ

       

      If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to reply to this thread.

       

      Thanks in advance for your participation.

       

      Best Regards,

      Jorge Garcia

      Cadsoft Support

        • 1. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY

          On 8/23/2012 6:38 PM, Jorge_Garcia wrote:

          Hello fellow EAGLE users,

           

          I've made a simple GoogleDocs Form as a type of survey and I would like to gather as much feedback as possible. The survey has only one question: What features would you like to see in future versions of EAGLE? Simply select the radio button of the feature you'd like to see, type in a few comments if you so desire and hit the submit button. That's it.

           

          Here's the link for the form:

           

          http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dEF4MWdPVXgxNjdHMk9aWE5wOTNyQmc6MQ

           

          If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to reply to this thread.

           

          Thanks in advance for your participation.

           

          Best Regards,

          Jorge Garcia

          Cadsoft Support

           

           

          When I tried to use the form it would not let me select more than one

          feature.   My impression from the instructions was that I would be able

          to select several?

           

          Jim

           

           

          • 2. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY

            The URL does not work for me . . .

             

            On 8/23/2012 3:38 PM, Jorge_Garcia wrote:

            Hello fellow EAGLE users,

             

            I've made a simple GoogleDocs Form as a type of survey and I would like to gather as much feedback as possible. The survey has only one question: What features would you like to see in future versions of EAGLE? Simply select the radio button of the feature you'd like to see, type in a few comments if you so desire and hit the submit button. That's it.

             

            Here's the link for the form:

             

            http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dEF4MWdPVXgxNjdHMk9aWE5wOTNyQmc6MQ

             

            If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to reply to this thread.

             

            Thanks in advance for your participation.

             

            Best Regards,

            Jorge Garcia

            Cadsoft Support

             

             

            • 3. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY

              On 8/23/2012 10:53 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:

               

              >>

              >

              When I tried to use the form it would not let me select more than one

              feature.   My impression from the instructions was that I would be able

              to select several?

               

              Jim

               

               

              Hi Jim,

               

              The form only allows you to select one of the various options, however

              we do look through the comments so if you have a top two or three,

              select the Top feature with the radio button and right the other two in

              the comments.

               

              hth,

              Jorge Garcia

               

              • 4. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY

                On 8/25/2012 12:46 PM, Marvin Dawson wrote:

                The URL does not work for me . . .

                 

                 

                Hi Marvin,

                 

                Certain firewalls block GoogleDocs, so you may have to try on another

                computer or temporarily disable your firewall to access the form.

                 

                hth,

                Jorge Garcia

                 

                • 5. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY

                  Am 24.08.2012 00:38, schrieb Jorge_Garcia:

                  I've made a simple GoogleDocs Form as a type of survey

                   

                  Here some random thoughts about the different list entries. Numbers in

                  front of the list signify the importance of this entry (10=yes PLEASE,

                  0=forget it) based on my own very personal opinion.

                   

                    8  User Interface Improvements

                         (See my previous posts for this)

                    1  3D Visualization

                         (That WOULD be nice in principle, but takes an AWFUL amount of

                         manpower away for 3D library creation, so perhaps better

                         not - we NEVER use the libraries from CadSoft, but ALWAYS

                         create our own ones...)

                  10  Pad Stack

                         (If 'pad stack' means the possibility of having different pads

                         for top and bottom layers, YES PLEASE! If it means something

                         else, I don't know)

                    9  Schematic Hierarchy and Design Modularity

                         (It would be VERY nice to have a sheet with some sort of block

                         diagram, and if you double-click on a block, the corresponding

                         sheet pops up. Additionally, with multi-channel boards one

                         often finds a small error in one channel, and this then needs

                         to be corrected eight times. It would be nice if there could

                         be some channel connections so that a change oin one channel

                         would be reflected in ALL of them. Though HOW this thing can

                         be made to work EASILY, I've no idea)

                    5  Simulation Facilities

                         (Would be nice to have, but we can already do this with

                         well-behaved ULPs here)

                    4  More Import/Export Formats IDF, DXF, Netlists

                         (Proper bitmap/vector imports/exports would be nice to have -

                         and NOT only via external strange ULPs - but we don't need that

                         SO often)

                    2  Auto Placement

                         (An auto-placer WOULD be nice in principle, but in order to

                         get DECENT results, one would need to define SO many parameters

                         that hand-placing might be easier overall)

                    0  Multi-core or GPU support

                    0  ODB++ Export

                    0  Electrical Planning

                    0  EAGLE for Tablet or Smartphones

                         (or perhaps even MINUS ten instead of a zero in front)

                    2  Autorouter improvements, push and shove, shape based, etc.

                         (The current autorouter is possibly the worst in industry,

                         and doing it correctly is an AWFUL amount of advanced

                         programming. There are much more important things at the

                         moment)

                    8  Simplified Library Management, speedier part creation, etc.

                         (though EAGLE has all NECESSARY functions for library management,

                         their usage is QUITE outdated and VERY impractical. I'll write

                         some additional posts with LOTS of suggestions concerning this

                         when I find the time)

                    0  Cloud Interface

                    3  Version Control

                         (With the current XML file scheme, integrating a version control

                         should not be THAT difficult. BUT normally, one board is mainly

                         created by ONE designer, and not many people fiddle around with

                         it at the same time, so a version control might not be THAT

                         important)

                    4  Visual Difference Tool (Visually see differences between two boards)

                         (That WOULD be nice, but I have no idea how the output of such a

                         thing MIGHT look. Depending on that, it might be valuable or

                         completely useless)

                   

                  Overall, I think version 7 should include hierarchy and pad stack (for

                  the professionals), better user interface (for the newbies) and nicer

                  library handling (for both of them).

                   

                  Andreas Weidner

                   

                  • 6. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY
                    steriana

                    On 9/5/12 12:20 PM, Andreas Weidner wrote:

                    Am 24.08.2012 00:38, schrieb Jorge_Garcia:

                    >> I've made a simple GoogleDocs Form as a type of survey

                     

                    Here some random thoughts about the different list entries. Numbers in

                    front of the list signify the importance of this entry (10=yes PLEASE,

                    0=forget it) based on my own very personal opinion.

                     

                      8  User Interface Improvements

                           (See my previous posts for this)

                      1  3D Visualization

                           (That WOULD be nice in principle, but takes an AWFUL amount of

                           manpower away for 3D library creation, so perhaps better

                           not - we NEVER use the libraries from CadSoft, but ALWAYS

                           create our own ones...)

                    10  Pad Stack

                           (If 'pad stack' means the possibility of having different pads

                           for top and bottom layers, YES PLEASE! If it means something

                           else, I don't know)

                      9  Schematic Hierarchy and Design Modularity

                           (It would be VERY nice to have a sheet with some sort of block

                           diagram, and if you double-click on a block, the corresponding

                           sheet pops up. Additionally, with multi-channel boards one

                           often finds a small error in one channel, and this then needs

                           to be corrected eight times. It would be nice if there could

                           be some channel connections so that a change oin one channel

                           would be reflected in ALL of them. Though HOW this thing can

                           be made to work EASILY, I've no idea)

                      5  Simulation Facilities

                           (Would be nice to have, but we can already do this with

                           well-behaved ULPs here)

                      4  More Import/Export Formats IDF, DXF, Netlists

                           (Proper bitmap/vector imports/exports would be nice to have -

                           and NOT only via external strange ULPs - but we don't need that

                           SO often)

                      2  Auto Placement

                           (An auto-placer WOULD be nice in principle, but in order to

                           get DECENT results, one would need to define SO many parameters

                           that hand-placing might be easier overall)

                      0  Multi-core or GPU support

                      0  ODB++ Export

                      0  Electrical Planning

                      0  EAGLE for Tablet or Smartphones

                           (or perhaps even MINUS ten instead of a zero in front)

                      2  Autorouter improvements, push and shove, shape based, etc.

                           (The current autorouter is possibly the worst in industry,

                           and doing it correctly is an AWFUL amount of advanced

                           programming. There are much more important things at the

                           moment)

                      8  Simplified Library Management, speedier part creation, etc.

                           (though EAGLE has all NECESSARY functions for library management,

                           their usage is QUITE outdated and VERY impractical. I'll write

                           some additional posts with LOTS of suggestions concerning this

                           when I find the time)

                      0  Cloud Interface

                      3  Version Control

                           (With the current XML file scheme, integrating a version control

                           should not be THAT difficult. BUT normally, one board is mainly

                           created by ONE designer, and not many people fiddle around with

                           it at the same time, so a version control might not be THAT

                           important)

                      4  Visual Difference Tool (Visually see differences between two boards)

                           (That WOULD be nice, but I have no idea how the output of such a

                           thing MIGHT look. Depending on that, it might be valuable or

                           completely useless)

                     

                    Overall, I think version 7 should include hierarchy and pad stack (for

                    the professionals), better user interface (for the newbies) and nicer

                    library handling (for both of them).

                     

                    Andreas Weidner

                     

                    +10 for Andreas! I agree with all the numbers except the Autorouter

                    Improvements should be 8 instead of 2 (IMHO).

                     

                    This would be a great list to put forth on the Internet for users to

                    vote on

                     

                    Andrew.

                     

                     

                    • 7. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY

                      Andrew Sterian wrote on Wed, 05 September 2012 12:44

                      On 9/5/12 12:20 PM, Andreas Weidner wrote:

                      Am 24.08.2012 00:38, schrieb Jorge_Garcia:

                      >> I've made a simple GoogleDocs Form as a type of survey

                       

                      Here some random thoughts about the different list entries. Numbers

                      in

                      front of the list signify the importance of this entry (10=yes

                      PLEASE,

                      0=forget it) based on my own very personal opinion.

                       

                        8  User Interface Improvements

                             (See my previous posts for this)

                        1  3D Visualization

                             (That WOULD be nice in principle, but takes an AWFUL amount

                      of

                             manpower away for 3D library creation, so perhaps better

                             not - we NEVER use the libraries from CadSoft, but ALWAYS

                             create our own ones...)

                      10  Pad Stack

                             (If 'pad stack' means the possibility of having different

                      pads

                             for top and bottom layers, YES PLEASE! If it means

                      something

                             else, I don't know)

                        9  Schematic Hierarchy and Design Modularity

                             (It would be VERY nice to have a sheet with some sort of

                      block

                             diagram, and if you double-click on a block, the

                      corresponding

                             sheet pops up. Additionally, with multi-channel boards one

                             often finds a small error in one channel, and this then

                      needs

                             to be corrected eight times. It would be nice if there

                      could

                             be some channel connections so that a change oin one

                      channel

                             would be reflected in ALL of them. Though HOW this thing

                      can

                             be made to work EASILY, I've no idea)

                        5  Simulation Facilities

                             (Would be nice to have, but we can already do this with

                             well-behaved ULPs here)

                        4  More Import/Export Formats IDF, DXF, Netlists

                             (Proper bitmap/vector imports/exports would be nice to have

                      -

                             and NOT only via external strange ULPs - but we don't need

                      that

                             SO often)

                        2  Auto Placement

                             (An auto-placer WOULD be nice in principle, but in order to

                             get DECENT results, one would need to define SO many

                      parameters

                             that hand-placing might be easier overall)

                        0  Multi-core or GPU support

                        0  ODB++ Export

                        0  Electrical Planning

                        0  EAGLE for Tablet or Smartphones

                             (or perhaps even MINUS ten instead of a zero in front)

                        2  Autorouter improvements, push and shove, shape based, etc.

                             (The current autorouter is possibly the worst in industry,

                             and doing it correctly is an AWFUL amount of advanced

                             programming. There are much more important things at the

                             moment)

                        8  Simplified Library Management, speedier part creation, etc.

                             (though EAGLE has all NECESSARY functions for library

                      management,

                             their usage is QUITE outdated and VERY impractical. I'll

                      write

                             some additional posts with LOTS of suggestions concerning

                      this

                             when I find the time)

                        0  Cloud Interface

                        3  Version Control

                             (With the current XML file scheme, integrating a version

                      control

                             should not be THAT difficult. BUT normally, one board is

                      mainly

                             created by ONE designer, and not many people fiddle around

                      with

                             it at the same time, so a version control might not be THAT

                             important)

                        4  Visual Difference Tool (Visually see differences between two

                      boards)

                             (That WOULD be nice, but I have no idea how the output of

                      such a

                             thing MIGHT look. Depending on that, it might be valuable

                      or

                             completely useless)

                       

                      Overall, I think version 7 should include hierarchy and pad stack

                      (for

                      the professionals), better user interface (for the newbies) and

                      nicer

                      library handling (for both of them).

                       

                      Andreas Weidner

                       

                      +10 for Andreas! I agree with all the numbers except the Autorouter

                      Improvements should be 8 instead of 2 (IMHO).

                       

                      This would be a great list to put forth on the Internet for users to

                      vote on

                       

                      Andrew.

                       

                       

                       

                      I think you guys are pretty close to right on.  I would add for design

                      houses like us, being able to get the design data into and out of other CAD

                      formats is a great feature.  I can see why normal usage in a company

                      wouldn't normally use this a lot.  But I get all sorts of projects in all

                      kinds of formats.  Being able to read in many formats would be a great

                      benefit.

                       

                      I often see this around eval boards.  We get requests to take an eval board

                      (usually in Mentor or Cadence) and make a small change.  But I have to

                      quote a complete redesign and of course the cost is way too high.  CadSoft

                      just lost a customer because they would have moved to EAGLE.  In fact, if

                      EAGLE did this I would win lots of contracts like this.  And when the quote

                      includes the CAD tools they'll need to manage the design going forward they

                      save 1000's of dollars by using EAGLE over other options.  This is a design

                      cost that lots of people ignore but I use to win lots of design work.

                       

                      I'd also add for library management, Altium has a really nice feature that

                      allows you to copy pin names out of datasheet tables and paste them into

                      the GUI.  Works great for parts with lots of pins and with copy/paste it is

                      very quick and reduces the possibility of typing errors or missing one

                      entry.  The same concept would be great to create pins in symbols and do

                      the connections in the device editor.

                       

                      Forget the cloud.  What a useless marketing buzz.  The tech has been around

                      forever to have a remote hard drive.  Sure it's a bit easier but IMNSHO it

                      takes too much control and I turn it off in Mac OS X because I'd rather

                      control where my data goes.  And there are huge IP issues with that as

                      well.

                       

                      Cheers,

                       

                      James.

                      --

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                      Specializing in CadSoft EAGLE

                      • Online Sales to North America

                      • Electronic Design Services

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                      --

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                      • 8. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY
                        nickstomp

                        - 10!!!! Better measure tool! I want an affordable tool to inspect lenght and distances in my pcb!!

                        - 10000 better DRC error description: For example If I have a  clearance error I want a column or popup or some system to tell me that

                        " the pad is only 0.0000001inch far from pin" and that tells me the rules that generate the error not only error and layer!!!!!

                        the measure tool can be useful to measure clearance, distance, etc etc

                        - a way to export settings/port it in another eagle

                        - a version control for all files! libraries, ulp, scr, schematic, project!!!

                        - port all ULP/ addendum to github or some other online collaboration tool in order to incentivate other people to contribute and manage to update libraries more easily

                        Schematic Hierarchy and Design Modularity;  I've used previously altium designer and I very like the possibility for example to group part of schematic and route them separately with autorouter or replicate a layout for multichannel design

                        - REPLACE some major ULP with program features for example 3d wings export, dxf imports. panelize, spice export, etc etc give it a menu name and incorporate these.

                        - !!!! DXF BOARD SHAPE IMPORT give the possibility to import dxf (or step :-) shapes to define board shapes!!! If I have a dxf/some other file with for example hole locations, board shape, precise component location I want to import it in eagle and use it to redefine board shape, place holes, snap components into specific places

                        - better snap: give the possibility to snap object position in other position other than the standard grid!: for example I have imported a dxf with the hole location of some control and I want to put potentiometer, button, led and snap it to the position definited by the mechanical cad

                        - Multi-core or GPU support -> not needed without 3d I think

                        - EAGLE for Tablet or Smartphones -> NOOO

                        - Simplified Library Management, speedier part creation, etc.

                        (+1 I also like to have a tool to automatic create array of holes, smd body part, or simply have menu to import some other package or symbol in library and after modif it to create a new part)

                        - Version Control

                               very important! especially for share the created library and ULP between users!!! I think that a revision control system integrated in eagle website

                        with the extension download (ULP, scr, etc etc) can permit more users to integrate their correction and to expand the funcionality of eagle)

                        - Visual Difference Tool (Visually see differences between two boards)

                               (very useful to multiple tasks, could be useful also for design variations

                        - An Eagle API to create extensions!! ULP are great but I think that an api could be better

                        • 9. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY

                          Am 05.09.2012 18:20, schrieb Andreas Weidner:

                          Am 24.08.2012 00:38, schrieb Jorge_Garcia:

                          >> I've made a simple GoogleDocs Form as a type of survey

                           

                          Here some random thoughts about the different list entries. Numbers in

                          front of the list signify the importance of this entry (10=yes PLEASE,

                          0=forget it) based on my own very personal opinion.

                           

                          Here comes a 10 for Andreas... and i hope you don't mind taking your

                          list as a base for my vote

                           

                           

                            8  User Interface Improvements

                           

                               8 from  me

                           

                            1  3D Visualization

                                 (That WOULD be nice in principle, but takes an AWFUL amount of

                                 manpower away for 3D library creation, snip

                               1  from me because I see it the same way

                           

                          10  Pad Stack

                           

                              5 from me, nice to have

                           

                            9  Schematic Hierarchy and Design Modularity

                           

                              10 from me. Certainly not easy imo, but that should be given hi

                            priority...

                           

                            5  Simulation Facilities

                                 (Would be nice to have, but we can already do this with

                                 well-behaved ULPs here)

                               Agreed

                           

                            4  More Import/Export Formats IDF, DXF, Netlists

                                 (Proper bitmap/vector imports/exports would be nice to have -

                                 and NOT only via external strange ULPs - but we don't need that

                                 SO often)

                               6 from me because I often run into time consuming problems..

                           

                            2  Auto Placement

                                 (An auto-placer WOULD be nice in principle, but in order to

                                 get DECENT results, one would need to define SO many parameters

                                 that hand-placing might be easier overall)

                               Yes, same sight here...

                           

                            0  Multi-core or GPU support

                               There are more important things...

                            0  ODB++ Export

                               There are more important things...

                            0  Electrical Planning

                               There are more important things...

                            0  EAGLE for Tablet or Smartphones

                           

                               There is always the cry for bigger screens...,or even multi screens

                          and now some people want a screen the size of three stamps...

                           

                            2  Autorouter improvements, push and shove, shape based, etc.

                                 (The current autorouter is possibly the worst in industry,

                                 and doing it correctly is an AWFUL amount of advanced

                                 programming. There are much more important things at the

                                 moment)

                              Yeah, there IS an autorouter...

                           

                            8  Simplified Library Management, speedier part creation, etc.

                                 (though EAGLE has all NECESSARY functions for library management,

                                 their usage is QUITE outdated and VERY impractical.

                               Fully agreed

                           

                            0  Cloud Interface

                           

                               Imho for the birds... Most work I do is confidential, so it goes to

                          the client and nowhere else.

                            3  Version Control

                                 (With the current XML file scheme, integrating a version control

                                 should not be THAT difficult. BUT normally, one board is mainly

                                 created by ONE designer, and not many people fiddle around with

                                 it at the same time, so a version control might not be THAT

                                 important)

                                 Yes from me

                           

                            4  Visual Difference Tool (Visually see differences between two boards)

                                 (That WOULD be nice, but I have no idea how the output of such a

                                 thing MIGHT look. Depending on that, it might be valuable or

                                 completely useless)

                               I have not seen that, so I say nothing to this item.

                           

                          Personally I like to have either a second setting of size, one for

                          text/label and one for xref, or an automatic calculation that sets the

                          xref frame size (then with smaller text inside of course)equal to the

                          normal text size.

                           

                          --

                          Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

                           

                          Joern Paschedag

                           

                          • 10. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY

                            Quote:

                            User Interface Improvements

                             

                            Like what?  Actually not changing things has great value here.  I've gotten

                            used to how things are, so I don't want to have to re-learn some other way.

                            I've also got my user interface highly customized with hot buttons,

                            scripts, and ULPs.  Don't mess it up.  The easiest way to guarantee that is

                            don't mess with it at all.

                             

                            Quote:

                            3D Visualization

                             

                            That would require all kinds of 3D information in each part, which I don't

                            see adding.  I can possibly see value to checking the mechanical fit of a

                            board as part of a larger project, but this sounds like huge work, both for

                            you and for me, and there are plenty of more valuable and easier to do

                            things on the list.

                             

                            Quote:

                            Pad Stack

                             

                            I can see the point to it, but I haven't personally run into a case where I

                            would have needed more than Eagle provides now.  Probably a reasonable

                            feature to have, but not high on my priority list.

                             

                            Quote:

                            Schematic Hierarchy and Design Modularity

                             

                            Yes, definitely!  Designs are inherently hierarchical things, at least

                            large ones.  You think of susbsystems, communicate the design that way,

                            document it that way, but in Eagle it all has to be flat.  This is not all

                            about documentation either (although that is important), but being able to

                            re-use subsystems accross designs would be very useful.

                             

                            Quote:

                            Simulation Facilities

                             

                            Not Eagle's job.  Move along.  Let's not waste time here.

                             

                            While simulation can be a useful tool, it is also overused and overvalued.

                            Good simulation is also complex, and would require entering a lot more part

                            information than there is now.  This sounds like a huge job just for me to

                            make use of, let alone for you to implement.  Stick to things that I can't

                            get externally to Eagle, since there are plenty of those.

                             

                            Quote:

                            More Import/Export Formats IDF, DXF, Netlists from other programs, etc.

                             

                            I can see the point to this in some environments, but it wouldn't do much

                            for me personally.  However, I don't see this working well.  How is

                            something imported from Altium going to adhere to my part and BOM

                            conventions in Eagle?  It could be useful if it really worked reliably, but

                            more likely it will get to the 80% level and stall, which would still be

                            largely useless.

                             

                            Quote:

                            Auto Placement

                             

                            LOL

                             

                            I really hope you don't seriously think you can do that, and that anything

                            you cooked up would actually be useful!!?

                             

                            Quote:

                            Multi-core or GPU support

                             

                            Yes.  The Eagle autorouter is one of the few things I run nowadays that is

                            CPU limited and takes a significant amount of time in human terms.  The

                            rest of Eagle is fast enough that there is no need for more speed, but I

                            want all the speed I can get from the autorouter.  I want the autorouter to

                            make full use of whatever computer I am running it on.

                             

                            Quote:

                            Other

                             

                            There have been many suggestions here over time.  Take a look.

                             

                            My #1 feature request is to allow for more flexible package definitions

                            without massive DRC errors.  This has been discussed at length before, so

                            no need for more now except to re-iterate this is the most importance

                            enhancement on my list.

                             

                            Quote:

                            ODB++ Export

                             

                            Huh?

                             

                            Quote:

                            Electrical Planning(Residential Electrical Plans, Electrician oriented

                             

                            applications)

                             

                            Not Eagle's job.  You've got lots of features that Eagle needs that would

                            help people get things done that they bought Eagle for.  It would really

                            piss me off if you strayed to do these side things while there are so many

                            important enhancements left to do.

                             

                            Quote:

                            EAGLE for Tablet or Smartphones

                             

                            Oh yes, and it should have voice prompts too, and automatic posts to

                            twitter so I can tell the world I just added a 10k resistor to a schematic!

                            And while you're at it, make it work with the cloud.  Nobody knows what

                            the "cloud" really is but it sounds cool.  I'm sure the customers would

                            love to hear their data is out in the cloud somewhere where somebody can

                            get at it somehow.  To be complete, this must come with a proper shirt,

                            cool designer glasses, and special overpriced shoes.  You can't do trendy

                            and cool half-assed.  Don't listen to all the nay-sayers who point out you

                            can't actually do anything useful on a smart phone with a schematic.  Of

                            course you can't, but that's obvious so it's clearly not the point.  It's

                            about being cool and trendy.  Hey, I get paid by the hour, so I'm still

                            making money when I'm talking into a smart phone getting nothing

                            accomplished.

                             

                            Quote:

                            Autorouter improvements, push and shove, shape based, etc.

                             

                            I can't say as you haven't defined "push", "shove", and "shape based"

                            (duh).

                             

                            Quote:

                            Simplified Library Management, speedier part creation, etc.

                             

                            Only on the smartphone and tablet version.  Since it's all for show, you

                            can skip all the fluff for making parts.  All those pin thingies get so

                            tedius, especially when you're busy tweeting about the resistor you just

                            added, someplace, it doesn't really matter, 10k Ohms can go lots of

                            places.

                             

                            Back on my PC, quality is what counts.  I can't think of what exactly you'd

                            do to speed up part creation.  When you have repetitive things to do, you

                            use scripts anyway.  As for one-offs, what would you leave out?  This

                            sounds like nice on the outside, but I don't see how you're really going to

                            make it work with all the necessary details on the inside.  All in all,

                            part creation isn't that difficult as it is now, and I make all my own

                            parts.

                             

                            Quote:

                            Cloud Interface

                             

                            Lol.  You guys are actually serious!!?

                             

                            Quote:

                            Version Control

                             

                            Already available externally, so spend your time on something more core

                            that I can't get externally.

                             

                            Quote:

                            Visual Difference Tool (Visually see differences between two boards)

                             

                            I can see the point to it, but not much value for me personally.

                             

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                            • 11. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY

                              Hi Guys,

                               

                              I explained earlier but it looks that the message didn't make it to the

                              forum.

                               

                              I know some of the entries in the survey may seem ridiculous, however

                              they have been requested by some users and that's why I included them.

                              If they really are as useless as we think they are then that will be

                              reflected in the low number of votes for those features.

                               

                              Market research is a pain and this is my first go at it. We will

                              continue to do surveys in the future and with better methods to collect

                              the feedback.

                               

                              In the meanwhile I appreciate all of the feedback you guys can give and

                              if you can pass the survey on to colleagues.

                               

                              Thanks,

                              Jorge Garcia

                               

                              • 12. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY

                                Am 06.09.2012 17:22, schrieb Olin Lathrop:

                                >> User Interface Improvements

                                 

                                Like what?  Actually not changing things has great value here.  I've gotten

                                used to how things are, so I don't want to have to re-learn some other way.

                                  I've also got my user interface highly customized with hot buttons,

                                scripts, and ULPs.  Don't mess it up.  The easiest way to guarantee that is

                                don't mess with it at all.

                                 

                                There are TWO kinds of user interface improvements:

                                  1. Completely changing a useful interface to make it more trendy or

                                     something like it. This obviously is rubbish. See Microsoft

                                     'fluent' interfaces, which for the professional are anything BUT

                                     fluent.

                                  2. Using the available interface and improve things so that NEW

                                     users can UNDERSTAND the functions more quickly and REMEMBER them

                                     easier, but WITHOUT breaking the workflow of the 'professionals'.

                                     Here, EAGLE can be improved LOTS - see my EAGLE GUI posts in

                                     eagle.suggest.eng...

                                     (Or would you NOT like to SEE the symbol before adding it to the

                                     device in the device editor? The usage of the dialog would be

                                     COMPLETELY the same as it is now, only a symbol preview would be

                                     added)

                                 

                                Andreas Weidner

                                 

                                • 13. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY

                                  Andreas Weidner wrote on Fri, 07 September 2012 07:46

                                  (Or would you NOT like to SEE the symbol before adding it to the

                                  device in the device editor? The usage of the dialog would be

                                  COMPLETELY the same as it is now, only a symbol preview would be

                                  added)

                                   

                                  Usually there is no question as to which symbol I want to add because I

                                  probably just created it.  A preview does no harm as long as it doesn't

                                  change the current command flow and shortcut keys.  Right now, adding a

                                  symbol to a package is very easy, type Alt-E A.  That gives you a list of

                                  symbols in the library.  Now you use up and down arrows to select the right

                                  one, then ENTER to confirm.  This works fine.  There is no problem to

                                  solve.

                                   

                                  I am worried that a preview would make this process more complicated or

                                  bloated.  Right now each symbol uses up one line.  That's nice since a lot

                                  of them can fit onto the screen.  If they took up more space due a preview,

                                  then it would make the process more tedius.

                                   

                                  Perhaps in rare cases there might be confusion between different symbols,

                                  but this is the exception case I wouldn't want to have Eagle optimized for

                                  at the expense of the normal case where you can easily see which symbol you

                                  want.

                                   

                                  Maybe you need to be more careful about giving symbols useful names?

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                                  • 14. Re: EAGLE FEATURE SURVEY
                                    sheldon bailey

                                    i am somewhere between version controle and a tabblett app to at least view shc and brd files.

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