10 Replies Latest reply on Nov 7, 2011 5:32 AM by

    Beta version 5.91.1 available

    CSWalt

      A new beta version of EAGLE is now available for download.

       

      Please see

       

        http://www.cadsoft.de/betatest.htm

       

      for details about how to get, install and use it.

       

      In order to enable you to test the advanced features of

      this new version, like PASTE from a file with multiple

      sheets, there is a limited time Professional license file

      contained in bin/betatest.key of your EAGLE installation

      directory. The Installation Code is listed inside that file.

       

      The changes since the previous version are:

       

        - Make RUN accept selected object from context menu (identifiable by ingroup()).

        - The ROUTE command now supports routing of "Differential Pair" signals.

        - The RATSNEST command prefers open wire ends when generating airwires

          for Differential Pair signals.

        - The maximum number of net classes has been increased to 16.

        - SET CONTEXT objecttype text commands enables the definition of

          userdefined context menu entries.

        - The new command VARIANT can be used to define assembly variants.

          Assembly variants define whether a given part is actually populated

          on the board, and what value and technology it has (if different from

          the default).

        - You can access assembly variants by opening the dialog under

          "Edit/Assembly variants...".

        - If a drawing contains assembly variants, the action toolbar shows a new

          combo box that allows you to select one of these variants.

        - The VALUE command always changes the value of a part in the currently

          selected assembly variant.

        - The new User Language objects UL_VARIANTDEFS and UL_VARIANTS, as well as

          the new members UL_SCHEMATIC.variantdefs, UL_BOARD.variantdefs,

          UL_PART.variants and UL_ELEMENT.variants can be used to access assembly

          variants from a User Language Program.

        - The new User Language functions setvariant() and variant() can be used

          to set and query the current assembly variant.

        - The new User Language members UL_PART.populate and UL_ELEMENT.populate

          can be used to determine whether a part has to be populated in the

          current assembly variant.

        - The new placeholder >ASSEMBLY_VARIANT can be used to display the name of

          the current assembly variant. ASSEMBLY_VARIANT can therefore no longer be

          used as an attribute name.

        - The new command line option -A can be used to specify a particular

          assembly variant when running the CAM Processor.

        - The commands ADD, CHANGE PACKAGE | TECHNOLOGY, REPLACE, UPDATE and VALUE

          can only be used if no assembly variant is active.

        - The new command MEANDER can be used to balance the lengths of

          differential pair signals, or to increase the length of a signal segment

          to a given target length.

        - Fixed handling ':' in file names under Linux and Mac OS X.

        - The netpost() function has a new optional parameter to set the content

          type of the posted data.

        - The Mac OS X version of EAGLE now requires an Intel Mac. It no longer runs

          on PPC machines.

        - The reading direction of vertical texts can now be selected from "up"

          and "down" in "Options/User interface".

        - BGA escape routing solution as a Ulp. Start with 'run route-bga element'.

        - Texts can now have one of nine different alignments, consisting of

          combinations of left, right, center, top and bottom.

        - The new option CHANGE ALIGN can be used to change the alignment of

          text objects.

        - The User Language object UL_TEXT now has the new data member 'align'.

        - Any wires and polygons in signal layers (1-16) drawn in a package

          that are connected to a pad or smd are now considered electrically

          connected to that pad/smd. This allows the definition of arbitrary

          pad shapes.

          See "Help/Editor Commands/PAD|SMD/Arbitrary Pad Shapes".

        - The 'rank' parameter is now obsolete for polygons in packages.

          Package polygons in signal layers that are not connected to a pad/smd will

          be handled as if they had a rank of 0.

        - The new command DIMENSION can be used to draw dimensions.

          See "Help/Editor Commands/DIMENSION".

        - The new User Language object UL_DIMENSION can be used to access dimension

          objects.

        - The new option CHANGE DTYPE can be used to change the type of

          dimension objects.

        - The internal resolution of EAGLE has been increased by a factor of 32.

          It used to be 0.1 micron and is now 0.003125 micron. This allows drawings

          in imperial units to use exact values for multiples of 1/4, 1/8, 1/16,

          1/32 and 1/64 mil.

        - The maximum drawing area is now 4x4 meters (about 150x150 inch).

        - If a User Language Program directly handles coordinates or sizes in

          editor units and needs to know the actual value of one editor unit, it

          needs to be adjusted to use the new value.

        - The new User Language functions inch2u(), mic2u(), mil2u() and mm2u()

          can be used to convert the respective units to internal editor units.

        - Due to the increased resolution of coordinates, any approved ERC or DRC

          errors from older versions can no longer be recognized as such. Therefore,

          when you run the ERC/DRC after updating a file to version 6, these errors

          will show up again and you may have to approve them again.

        - Once you overwrite a project file (eagle.epf) from an older version with

          this new version of EAGLE, the dimension values in it will be stored in

          a different format. If you then load such a file with an old version of

          EAGLE, all menu entries (like wire widths or drill diameters) will fall

          back to their default values.

        - Fixed handling "\n" in the eaglerc file.

        - Multiple pads can now be connected to the same pin.

        - If a pin is connected to multiple pads, and the pad name is visible on

          the pin, the smallest of all pad names connected to that pin is displayed,

          followed by an asterisk ('*') to indicate that there is more than one pad.

        - The CONNECT command can now handle several pad names at once, to create

          a connection of several pads to one pin.

        - The new keywords ALL and ANY in the CONNECT command control whether all

          or any of the pads in a multiple pad connection need to be routed in the

          board.

        - The User Language data member UL_PIN.contact is deprecated, because a pin

          can now be connected to multiple pads. It will work for backwards

          compatibility and as long as only one pad has been connected to the pin,

          but will cause a runtime error when used with a pin that is connected to

          more than one pad. Use the new loop member UL_PIN.contacts() instead.

        - The new User Language data members UL_PIN.route and UL_CONTACTREF.route

          tell whether all or any of the respective contacts need to be routed.

        - The new polygon pour style "cutout" can be used to define polygons that

          get "subtracted" from all other signal polygons within the same layer.

          See "Help/Editor Commands/POLYGON/Polygon cutouts".

        - In older versions of EAGLE the COPY command was used solely to copy objects

          within a drawing, as opposed to the Windows behavior, where COPY places a

          copy of the selected objects (i.e. the GROUP) into the system's clipboard.

          As of version 6, EAGLE's COPY command primarily behaves the same way as in

          other Windows applications, by putting a copy of the current group into the

          clipboard. The original functionality of copying selected objects, or

          copying library objects between libraries, is still fully available, which

          is especially important to keep existing scripts and ULPs working.

          What has also often irritated Windows users is that in EAGLE the CUT

          command has only copied the current group to the clipboard, but did not

          actually delete the group from the drawing. Since a CUT command that

          deletes the group would not be of much use in a board/schematic pair that

          is connected via forward-&backannotation, the CUT command has been

          removed from the main pulldown menu and the command button toolbar. It is

          still fully available from the command line or within scripts. The command

       

          SET Cmd.Copy.ClassicEagleMode 1

       

          restores the old behavior of both the COPY and the CUT command. Note that

          this setting only takes effect the next time you open an editor window.

        - The PASTE command can now paste a complete consistent board/schematic pair

          into the currently edited project. See "Help/Editor Commands/PASTE/Pasting

          from a file".

        - The EAGLE file format has been changed from binary to XML.

        - The complete definition of the EAGLE file format can be found in the

          file "doc/eagle.dtd".

        - Existing files will be automatically updated to the new format when

          they are saved with version 6.

        - The pin direction "I/O" has been changed to "io" (without the slash).

          Wherever a pin direction is allowed in command line input, the old value

          will still be accepted for compatibility with earlier versions, but in the

          XML files only "io" will be used.

        - The User Language member function UL_SHEET.parts is deprecated and should

          no longer be used. Use the new function UL_SHEET.instances instead.

          The old function is still available for compatibility with ULPs written

          for older versions.

        - Supply layers (i.e. layers with names that start with a '$') are no longer

          treated special. Layers for supply signals now need to be realized using

          signal polygons.

        - When a board drawing from an older version of EAGLE is loaded, any supply

          layers it contains will be renamed by moving the '$' to the end of the

          name. This makes sure automated scripts that treat a supply layer as

          "negative" don't make a mistake, while still indicating that layer as

          having been a supply layer. The functionality of the supply layer is

          replaced by a signal polygon with the proper name, using the minimum wire

          width from the net class of that signal. The polygon is drawn into the

          former supply layer as a rectangular shape, covering the area defined by

          any wires in the Dimension layer, by pads or by vias. The Autorouter setup

          is modified in such a way that the layer containing the generated polygon

          is activated (with preferred direction '*'), and the costs for that layer

          set to 99 in all passes.

       

          VERY IMPORTANT:

       

          After updating a board with supply layers from an older version, make

          sure you run the RATSNEST command to verify whether all pads are still

          connected to the respective signal.

        - The User Language constants PAD_SHAPE_ANNULUS, PAD_SHAPE_THERMAL,

          VIA_SHAPE_ANNULUS and VIA_SHAPE_THERMAL are now obsolete.

          They are still tolerated for compatibility with old ULPs, but no pad or via

          will ever have such a shape.

        - The command line options '-a' and  '-t' are no longer supported, because

          the CAM Processor doesn't use Annulus or Thermal symbols any more.

          For compatibility with existing scripts, these options are still

          tolerated, but they have no effect.

        - The aperture shapes "annulus" and "thermal" are no longer used by the

          CAM Processor.

        - Any parameters referring to "Annulus" or "Thermal" have been removed

          from the eagle.def file. They are still tolerated when using such a file

          from an older version of EAGLE, but they have no effect.

        - Most of the parameters related to Thermal and Annulus have been removed

          from the "Supply" tab of the Design Rules dialog.

        - The AUTO command no longer clears the UNDO buffer (unless an existing job

          is continued/finished).

        - The CHANGE command now checks whether the selected object already has the

          requested property value, and changes it only if not. This may result in an

          actual CHANGE command not generating an UNDO step, because nothing has

          changed at all.

        - Creating or reordering schematic sheets no longer clears the UNDO buffer.

        - Removing a schematic sheet no longer clears the UNDO buffer.

        - The GATESWAP command now leaves the 'smashed' property of instances in place.

        - Nets now only keep their name in the PASTE command if they have a label

          or are connected to a supply pin, and that label or pin is actually in the

          group. In V5 this decision was made independent of whether such a label

          or pin was actually in the group.

        - SET UNDO_LOG ON|OFF is no longer a global setting, but acts only upon the

          editor window within which it is executed (in case of a consistent

          board/schematic pair it works on the other window as well).

        - Fixed updating sheet numbers in the ERRORS dialog when reordering,

          inserting or deleting sheets.

        - The number of technologies per per device is no longer limited to 254.

        - The number of package variants per device set is no longer limited to 254.

        - The valid range of values for pin and gate swap levels is no longer

          limited to 255.

        - Any changes made to the net classes with the CLASS command are now fully

          handled by UNDO/REDO.

        - Changes to the Design Rules are now fully handled by UNDO/REDO.

        - If the ERC establishes consistency between a board and a schematic, it now

          stores this fact in the UNDO buffer. When going back in the UNDO history

          to a point before consistency was established, the forward-/backannotation

          will be disabled again. Note that doing REDO will not automatically

          re-establish consistency!

          Storing the fact that consistency has been established also truncates the

          UNDO buffer at that point.

        - The status bar of the editor window now contains indicators that show

          whether the drawing has been modified, and whether forward&backannotation

          is active.

        - The BOARD command no longer clears the UNDO buffer of the schematic if a

          board is newly generated.

        - The frame object is now properly handled when rotated with the MOVE

          command. Note, though, that the orientation of letters and digits in the

          frame borders doesn't change when a frame is rotated.

        - The UNDO command (as well as the REDO command) now displays in the status

          bar what kind of command was undone (or redone) and how long ago that

          command has been executed. If the command was originally executed in the

          board, and UNDO was done in the schematic, it will also indicate that

          (and vice versa).

        - The new option LIST in the UNDO command opens a dialog that contains the

          entire contents of the undo buffer. You can navigate through the list of

          undo/redo steps by click&dragging the list delimiter, or by directly

          clicking on any given step you wish to go back or forward to. If there

          are several steps between the current delimiter position and the clicked

          list item, all steps in between will be executed in the proper sequence.

          Going upward in the list means doing UNDO, going downward results in REDO.

          CAUTION: this is a very powerful tool! By going all the way back in the

          UNDO list (which can be done with a single mouse click) and executing any

          new command, the undo buffer will be truncated at that point, and there

          is no way back! So use this with care!

        - The User Language objects UL_BOARD, UL_SCHEMATIC, UL_SHEET and UL_SYMBOL

          new have the new data members 'description' and 'headline'.

        - The DESCRIPTION command now also works in schematics, sheets, boards and

          symbols.

        - If the first parameter to the DESCRIPTION command is an asterisk ('*'),

          the description of the library or schematic will be modified, as opposed to

          an individual device set, package, symbol or sheet.

        - If the DRC command is given an asterisk character ('*') as the first

          parameter, the Design Rules dialog will be opened and allow editing the

          Design Rules, without triggering an actual check when the dialog is

          confirmed.

        - The sheet thumbnails in the schematic editor now display the headline of

          the sheets' descriptions as their caption.

        - The sheet combo box in the schematic editor now displays the headline of

          the sheets' descriptions.

        - The context menu of the sheet thumbnails in the schematic editor has the

          new option "Description" which can be used to edit the description of a

          sheet.

        - The CLASS command now accepts class names that start with digits, as long

          as they are not a plain integer number.

        - Pasting is now done via the system's clipboard. This allows groups to be

          copied from one instance of EAGLE into an other.

       

       

      A detailed description of all changes can be found in the files

      UPDATE and HISTORY.beta that come with the betatest archive.

       

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        • Re: Beta version 5.91.1 available

          Walter Spermann wrote:

          A new beta version of EAGLE is now available for download.

           

          Please see

           

            http://www.cadsoft.de/betatest.htm

           

          for details about how to get, install and use it.

           

          In order to enable you to test the advanced features of

          this new version, like PASTE from a file with multiple

          sheets, there is a limited time Professional license file

          contained in bin/betatest.key of your EAGLE installation

          directory. The Installation Code is listed inside that file.

           

           

          It would have been nice if  you had mentioned that internet connectivity was

          required to use the time limited key !!!

           

          Implementing plan B. Uninstall / Re-install.

           

          Warren

          --

          Viewed / responded via the newsgroup at

          news.cadsoft.de

           

           

           

          • Re: Beta version 5.91.1 available

            On 11/04/2011 05:02 AM, Walter Spermann wrote:

            A new beta version of EAGLE is now available for download.

             

            Please see

             

               http://www.cadsoft.de/betatest.htm

             

            for details about how to get, install and use it.

             

            In order to enable you to test the advanced features of

            this new version, like PASTE from a file with multiple

            sheets, there is a limited time Professional license file

            contained in bin/betatest.key of your EAGLE installation

            directory. The Installation Code is listed inside that file.

             

            The changes since the previous version are:

             

               - Make RUN accept selected object from context menu (identifiable by ingroup()).

               - The ROUTE command now supports routing of "Differential Pair" signals.

             

            Now forgive my cynicism here, and I love Eagle, it fulfills almost all

            my needs and I'm a full pro licensee of 5.x.

             

            But...it would also be nice to emphasis that reading and then writing

            older format files with this Beta version makes them unreadable by the

            older version (this is not actually stated in the release note, just

            that files will be upgraded to the new format)... kind of forcing your

            hand to go the upgrade path to regain access to your saved files...

             

            Now, I realise this is a Beta and 'should not be used for production',

            and we shoudl all know better, but I woudl n;t be surprised if very many

            people try the upgrade and loose a projec tthey are working on ing the

            process...

             

            Realistically how many of us hobbyists or individual proprietors in the

            field pay enough attention to such warnings... newest is always (?) best

            right .. so I'm having trouble convincing myself to use this Beta, no

            matter how much I might want to try out the new 6.x features.

             

            I kinda feel lie I was almost baited into a trap... I hope that wasn't

            the intention.

             

            Peter

             

              • Re: Beta version 5.91.1 available

                Am 07.11.2011 05:25, schrieb Peter Wilson:

                On 11/04/2011 05:02 AM, Walter Spermann wrote:

                >> A new beta version of EAGLE is now available for download.

                >>

                >> Please see

                >>

                >> http://www.cadsoft.de/betatest.htm

                >>

                >> for details about how to get, install and use it.

                >>

                >> In order to enable you to test the advanced features of

                >> this new version, like PASTE from a file with multiple

                >> sheets, there is a limited time Professional license file

                >> contained in bin/betatest.key of your EAGLE installation

                >> directory. The Installation Code is listed inside that file.

                >>

                >> The changes since the previous version are:

                >>

                >> - Make RUN accept selected object from context menu (identifiable by

                >> ingroup()).

                >> - The ROUTE command now supports routing of "Differential Pair" signals.

                 

                Now forgive my cynicism here, and I love Eagle, it fulfills almost all

                my needs and I'm a full pro licensee of 5.x.

                 

                But...it would also be nice to emphasis that reading and then writing

                older format files with this Beta version makes them unreadable by the

                older version (this is not actually stated in the release note, just

                that files will be upgraded to the new format)... kind of forcing your

                hand to go the upgrade path to regain access to your saved files...

                 

                Now, I realise this is a Beta and 'should not be used for production',

                and we shoudl all know better, but I woudl n;t be surprised if very many

                people try the upgrade and loose a projec tthey are working on ing the

                process...

                 

                Realistically how many of us hobbyists or individual proprietors in the

                field pay enough attention to such warnings... newest is always (?) best

                right .. so I'm having trouble convincing myself to use this Beta, no

                matter how much I might want to try out the new 6.x features.

                 

                I kinda feel lie I was almost baited into a trap... I hope that wasn't

                the intention.

                 

                Peter

                 

                I must admit that this info is missing in the a announcment.

                On the other hand in the "readme" and the "update" files, found in the

                doc-directory, this is clearly pointed out.

                Last but least this is well known by eagle users sice decades.

                 

                --

                Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

                 

                Joern Paschedag

                 

                • Re: Beta version 5.91.1 available

                  On 07.11.2011 05:25, Peter Wilson wrote:

                  Now forgive my cynicism here, and I love Eagle, it fulfills almost all

                  my needs and I'm a full pro licensee of 5.x.

                   

                  But...it would also be nice to emphasis that reading and then writing

                  older format files with this Beta version makes them unreadable by the

                  older version (this is not actually stated in the release note, just that

                  files will be upgraded to the new format)... kind of forcing your

                  hand to go the upgrade path to regain access to your saved files...

                   

                  I guess that's why Cadsoft included this message at the top of the beta

                  download page:

                   

                  === Quote ========================================================

                  IMPORTANT NOTE: This beta version of EAGLE is NOT FOR PRODUCTION USE! Do

                  not use it in any critical project, and only work with copies of your

                  existing data files! Do not send board files created with this beta

                  version of EAGLE to a board house – they may not yet be able to process

                  the new EAGLE data files.

                   

                  Any files written with this beta version of EAGLE will not be loadable

                  with previous program versions!

                  === /Quote =======================================================

                   

                  > Realistically how many of us hobbyists or individual proprietors in the

                  > field pay enough attention to such warnings...

                   

                  I hope all of us. It's hard enough to miss this warning.

                   

                  > newest is always (?) best right ..

                   

                  Except it's the first beta version after a major feature upgrade.

                   

                  Alex

                   

                • Re: Beta version 5.91.1 available

                  >"Klaus Schmidinger" <Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de> wrote in message

                  news:j98d2g$sh$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

                  On 11/07/11 11:46, eSilviu wrote:

                  >> PS: It's great to see Eagle evolve. It's great to see that new features

                  >> are

                  >> added. It's bad that v6 brings as major update only the xml file format

                  >What's that supposed to mean?

                  >There are lots of new features in the upcoming V6.

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  In my opinion, there is no major new thing implemented except xml. The xml

                  part is important especially for people that uses cracked version of Eagle

                  (so there will be no more "error 293"), and the rest are just "missing"

                  parts of the normal CAD electronics application, parts requested many many

                  times by users of Eagle v3,4,5.

                   

                  I don't say that this is not enough for a major update, it is; and the work

                  behind this is (probably) almost the same as writing the software from

                  scratch.

                   

                  But: you (Cadsoft) had the chance to change everything (because of the 100%

                  incompatibility with older version), and you have choose to follow the same

                  controversial model from past.

                   

                   

                   

                    • Re: Beta version 5.91.1 available

                       

                      "eSilviu" <silviu.epure@ugal.ro> wrote in message

                      news:j98f5k$a4i$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

                      >"Klaus Schmidinger" <Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de> wrote in message

                      >> news:j98d2g$sh$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

                      >> On 11/07/11 11:46, eSilviu wrote:

                      >>> PS: It's great to see Eagle evolve. It's great to see that new features

                      >>> are

                      >>> added. It's bad that v6 brings as major update only the xml file format

                      >>What's that supposed to mean?

                      >>There are lots of new features in the upcoming V6.

                       

                      Status of features proposed 1 year ago:

                       

                       

                       

                      negative printing - no

                       

                      save printer settings between consecutive prints - no

                       

                      panelizing printing - no

                       

                      project's library - no

                       

                      right click on component + edit - no

                       

                      change GUI for selecting the layer's color - no

                       

                      add intuitive GUI for alpha blending - no

                       

                      color palette saved in sch/brd file - no

                       

                      add "Quick DRC" button - no

                       

                      master settings GUI - no

                       

                      ?? tabbed interface - no

                       

                      ?? remove Control Panel window - no

                       

                      ?? GUI created/edited from ULP - no

                       

                      cut/copy/paste - YES

                       

                      xml structure - YES.

                       

                       

                       

                      lines with ?? represent big changes so I don't expect to be adopted.

                       

                       

                       

                    • Re: Beta version 5.91.1 available

                       

                      "Alexander Horst" <arhr@arcor.de> wrote in message

                      news:j98f3m$a21$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

                      On 07.11.2011 05:25, Peter Wilson wrote:

                      >> Now forgive my cynicism here, and I love Eagle, it fulfills almost all

                      >> my needs and I'm a full pro licensee of 5.x.

                      >>

                      >> But...it would also be nice to emphasis that reading and then writing

                      >> older format files with this Beta version makes them unreadable by the

                      >> older version (this is not actually stated in the release note, just that

                      >> files will be upgraded to the new format)... kind of forcing your

                      >> hand to go the upgrade path to regain access to your saved files...

                       

                      I guess that's why Cadsoft included this message at the top of the beta

                      download page:

                       

                      === Quote ========================================================

                      IMPORTANT NOTE: This beta version of EAGLE is NOT FOR PRODUCTION USE! Do

                      not use it in any critical project, and only work with copies of your

                      existing data files! Do not send board files created with this beta

                      version of EAGLE to a board house – they may not yet be able to process

                      the new EAGLE data files.

                       

                      Any files written with this beta version of EAGLE will not be loadable

                      with previous program versions!

                      === /Quote =======================================================

                       

                      Realistically how many of us hobbyists or individual proprietors in the

                      field pay enough attention to such warnings...

                       

                      I hope all of us. It's hard enough to miss this warning.

                       

                      newest is always (?) best right ..

                       

                      Except it's the first beta version after a major feature upgrade.

                       

                      Alex

                       

                       

                       

                      Except that the new beta versionREADS BY DEFAULT old files, OPENS BY DEFAULT

                      the active project from older versions, and OVERWRITES BY DEFAULT essential

                      files of older verion of Eagle.

                       

                       

                       

                        • Re: Beta version 5.91.1 available

                           

                          "Alexander Horst" <arhr@arcor.de> wrote in message

                          news:j98f3m$a21$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

                          On 07.11.2011 05:25, Peter Wilson wrote:

                          >> Now forgive my cynicism here, and I love Eagle, it fulfills almost all

                          >> my needs and I'm a full pro licensee of 5.x.

                          >>

                          >> But...it would also be nice to emphasis that reading and then writing

                          >> older format files with this Beta version makes them unreadable by the

                          >> older version (this is not actually stated in the release note, just that

                          >> files will be upgraded to the new format)... kind of forcing your

                          >> hand to go the upgrade path to regain access to your saved files...

                           

                          I guess that's why Cadsoft included this message at the top of the beta

                          download page:

                           

                          === Quote ========================================================

                          IMPORTANT NOTE: This beta version of EAGLE is NOT FOR PRODUCTION USE! Do

                          not use it in any critical project, and only work with copies of your

                          existing data files! Do not send board files created with this beta

                          version of EAGLE to a board house – they may not yet be able to process

                          the new EAGLE data files.

                           

                          Any files written with this beta version of EAGLE will not be loadable

                          with previous program versions!

                          === /Quote =======================================================

                           

                          Realistically how many of us hobbyists or individual proprietors in the

                          field pay enough attention to such warnings...

                           

                          I hope all of us. It's hard enough to miss this warning.

                           

                          newest is always (?) best right ..

                           

                          Except it's the first beta version after a major feature upgrade.

                           

                          Alex

                           

                           

                           

                          Except that the new beta versionREADS BY DEFAULT old files, OPENS BY DEFAULT

                          the active project from older versions, and OVERWRITES BY DEFAULT essential

                          files of older verion of Eagle.