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    Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

       

        • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

          On 3/10/2010 2:18 AM, Silviu Epure wrote:

          "davem"<imix@bigpond.net.au>  wrote in message

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          >> Hi Silviu!

          >>

          >> I dont think that a gerber viewer is "USELESS" as there are NO GERBER

          >> VIEWERS for the MAC.

          >>

          >> and besides most of the code is already in eagle cad, it knows how to

          >> generate the plotting data, its probably very similar to the PCB Layout

          >> code anyhow, So an integrated viewer would make sense.

          >>

          >> If we had TABBED STYLED Editor you could have SCHEMATIC/BAORD/BOM/GERBERS

          >> as tab heading and switch between them.

          >>

          >> thanks

          >>

          >> Dave M

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          I agree with tabbed GUI. And I'm not bothered if Eagle could display gerber

          files.

          >

          >

           

          NO NO NO on tabbed interface.  We always use multiple monitors.

           

          Since Eagle was separate programs always (long before "tabbed"

          anything), I hope there's no chance of tabbed MDI replacing the usefully

          unique separate proggrams.

           

           

            • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

              On 07.07.10 2:57 AM, MB wrote:

              abbed interface.  We always use multiple monitors.

              >

              Since Eagle was separate programs always (long before "tabbed"

              anything), I hope there's no chance of tabbed MDI replacing the usefully

              unique separate proggrams.

               

              I also use a dual monitor setup and I agree that a restriction to tabs

              will be counterproductive. However the tab interface can be an option

              and user could separate the tabs into distinct windows by drag and

              drop(like internet browsers).

               

                • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                  Marius Trusculescu wrote on Wed, 07 July 2010 01:57

                  However the tab interface can be an option

                  and user could separate the tabs into distinct windows by drag and

                  drop(like internet browsers).

                   

                  It could be, but how much is there really to gain?  I can think of many

                  better things for the CadSoft developers to spend their time on, especially

                  since there are already fast and easy mechanisms for switching between

                  Eagle windows.  For example, ALT-F W switches back and forth between the

                  schematic and board editors.  That's so much easier than clicking on a tab

                  that I'd continue to use it instead of a tab anyway.  Other Eagle windows

                  are also OS windows, with their existing mechanisms for switching between

                  them, like ALT-Esc on Windows for example.

                   

                  If CadSoft does implement tabbed windows, I really hope they make that

                  optional so I don't have to wast the pixels on the tabs above the windows.

                  I'd rather get a better view of my schematic or board than a row of tabs

                  which I'll never use.

                   

                  Can we stick to asking for real circuit-related features instead of this

                  fluff?

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                • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                   

                  "MB" <mike@brenden.com> wrote in message

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                  On 3/10/2010 2:18 AM, Silviu Epure wrote:

                  >> "davem"<imix@bigpond.net.au>  wrote in message

                  >> news:hn7g5b$iku$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

                  >>> Hi Silviu!

                  >>>

                  >>> I dont think that a gerber viewer is "USELESS" as there are NO GERBER

                  >>> VIEWERS for the MAC.

                  >>>

                  >>> and besides most of the code is already in eagle cad, it knows how to

                  >>> generate the plotting data, its probably very similar to the PCB Layout

                  >>> code anyhow, So an integrated viewer would make sense.

                  >>>

                  >>> If we had TABBED STYLED Editor you could have

                  >>> SCHEMATIC/BAORD/BOM/GERBERS

                  >>> as tab heading and switch between them.

                  >>>

                  >>> thanks

                  >>>

                  >>> Dave M

                  >>> --

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                  >>

                  >> I agree with tabbed GUI. And I'm not bothered if Eagle could display

                  >> gerber

                  >> files.

                  >>

                  >>

                  >

                  NO NO NO on tabbed interface.  We always use multiple monitors.

                  >

                  Since Eagle was separate programs always (long before "tabbed" anything),

                  I hope there's no chance of tabbed MDI replacing the usefully unique

                  separate proggrams.

                  >

                   

                  There are many software packages that uses tabs. And that tabs are

                  detachable!!! (see google chrome for example)

                  So, there is a solution for everyone.

                   

                  I was thinking about this problem too, and I don't consider Cadsoft

                  developpers capable to do such thing, in the next 5 years. just my opinion.

                   

                   

                   

                • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                  On 2010-03-10 08:39:48 +0100, Oliver Betz <obetz@despammed.com> said:

                   

                  >> Because I use a MAC there are NO GERBER viewers available. ( that I know of

                   

                  Me too. I have searched.

                   

                  I knew about http://gerbv.gpleda.org/index.html , but

                   

                  Gerbv. I have several Finck and MacPorts packages compiled form source

                  here, something Mac user never have to do and most can't. I can get

                  Gerbv to display anything.

                   

                  http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gerberviewermac

                   

                  reveals more.

                   

                  Indeed. But they don't work. This one, for instance:

                   

                  http://www.brothersoft.com/gerber-viewer-for-mac-download-197933.html

                   

                  This may sound silly, but experienced Mac users expect more. The site

                  of these guys scares 99% of Mac users, and rightly so. A developer that

                  makes ugly sites like this, will naver make a good Mac program.

                   

                  This one does work:

                   

                  http://www.mcn-audio.com/sharewares/index.html

                   

                  At least on 10.4.11 and a G5.

                   

                  Thank you.

                   

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                    • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                      Eur van Andel wrote:

                       

                      >>> Because I use a MAC there are NO GERBER viewers available. ( that I know of

                      >

                      >Me too. I have searched.

                       

                      That's bad for the Mac users.

                       

                      Nevertheless I think a Gerber viewer should be a separate application.

                      It's to check Eagle output, isn't it? So it should be done from a

                      3rd party.

                       

                      You can still use a Windows installation in a virtual machine.

                       

                      Oliver

                       

                        • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                          Oliver Betz wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 11:09

                          Eur van Andel wrote:

                           

                           

                           

                          Nevertheless I think a Gerber viewer should be a separate application.

                          It's to check Eagle output, isn't it? So it should be done from a

                          3rd party.

                           

                          You can still use a Windows installation in a virtual machine.

                           

                          Oliver

                           

                           

                          Totally Totally Totally Agree re the 3rd party Gerber viewer.

                           

                          I've used to use gerbv on mac, after installing fink, but forgot exactly

                          how I did it... fink was a bit of a pain.  Really, it'd be nice if someone

                          posted a howto on the most straightforward way to get Gerbv working on a

                          mac. 

                           

                           

                           

                           

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                            • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                              faveluka wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 12:36

                              Quote:

                              Nevertheless I think a Gerber viewer should be a separate

                              application.  It's to check Eagle output, isn't it? So it should be

                              done from a 3rd party.

                               

                              Totally Totally Totally Agree re the 3rd party Gerber viewer.

                               

                              Me too.

                               

                              There are plenty of Eagle enhancement I can think of that free third party

                              tools don't provide.  A gerber viewer isn't one of them.

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                                • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                                   

                                  "Olin Lathrop" <eagle@embedinc.com> wrote in message

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                                  faveluka wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 12:36

                                  >> Quote:

                                  >> > Nevertheless I think a Gerber viewer should be a separate

                                  >> > application.  It's to check Eagle output, isn't it? So it should be

                                  >> > done from a 3rd party.

                                  >>

                                  >> Totally Totally Totally Agree re the 3rd party Gerber viewer.

                                  >

                                  Me too.

                                  >

                                  There are plenty of Eagle enhancement I can think of that free third party

                                  tools don't provide.  A gerber viewer isn't one of them.

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                                  do you use "print preview" option in printing dialog?!

                                  We need such feature for gerber files too. It's the first feedback when you

                                  generate the fabrication files.

                                  Maybe CAM processor should display a preview for what will do, just to

                                  confirme us that it's doing what we want CAM to do

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                    • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                                      eSilviu wrote on Wed, 14 July 2010 02:39

                                      do you use "print preview" option in printing dialog?!

                                       

                                      Not really, not from Eagle anyway.

                                       

                                      Quote:

                                      We need such feature for gerber files too.

                                       

                                      So go to the Pentalogix site or one of the others and download a free

                                      gerber viewer.

                                       

                                      Quote:

                                      It's the first feedback when you

                                      generate the fabrication files.

                                      Maybe CAM processor should display a preview for what will do, just to

                                       

                                      confirme us that it's doing what we want CAM to do

                                       

                                      There is no problem to solve here.  I have never seen Eagle make a mistake

                                      in writing out gerber files.  I have occasionally made mistakes where I put

                                      something in the wrong layer or wrote the wrong set of layers out to a

                                      gerber file.  Those errors are quite rare, so catching them when checking

                                      the gerber files via a independent third party program is no problem.  You

                                      fix it, rerun the CAM job, and check again.

                                       

                                      If you're frequently making these kinds of mistakes then you should take a

                                      little time to learn the CAM processor better.  Make a few canned CAM jobs

                                      for the things you usually do.  For example, I have canned CAM files for

                                      two layer boards and 4 layer boards.

                                       

                                      Another thing that helps me a lot is a checklist for going from a Eagle

                                      board to a board house ZIP file.  Yes, this is actually written down.  I

                                      refer to it every time I make a board house package.  The checklist is

                                      actually in the header comments of the script that helps automate binding

                                      together all the relevant files into a board house ZIP file.

                                       

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                                        • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                                           

                                          "Olin Lathrop" <eagle@embedinc.com> wrote in message

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                                          eSilviu wrote on Wed, 14 July 2010 02:39

                                          >> do you use "print preview" option in printing dialog?!

                                          >

                                          Not really, not from Eagle anyway.

                                          >

                                          Quote:

                                          >> We need such feature for gerber files too.

                                          >

                                          So go to the Pentalogix site or one of the others and download a free

                                          gerber viewer.

                                          >

                                          Quote:

                                          >> It's the first feedback when you generate the fabrication files.

                                          >> Maybe CAM processor should display a preview for what will do, just to

                                          >>

                                          >> confirme us that it's doing what we want CAM to do

                                          >

                                          There is no problem to solve here.  I have never seen Eagle make a mistake

                                          in writing out gerber files.  I have occasionally made mistakes where I

                                          put

                                          something in the wrong layer or wrote the wrong set of layers out to a

                                          gerber file.  Those errors are quite rare, so catching them when checking

                                          the gerber files via a independent third party program is no problem.  You

                                          fix it, rerun the CAM job, and check again.

                                          >

                                          If you're frequently making these kinds of mistakes then you should take a

                                          little time to learn the CAM processor better.  Make a few canned CAM jobs

                                          for the things you usually do.  For example, I have canned CAM files for

                                          two layer boards and 4 layer boards.

                                          >

                                          Another thing that helps me a lot is a checklist for going from a Eagle

                                          board to a board house ZIP file.  Yes, this is actually written down.  I

                                          refer to it every time I make a board house package.  The checklist is

                                          actually in the header comments of the script that helps automate binding

                                          together all the relevant files into a board house ZIP file.

                                          >

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                                          I will request, only for you, a command line only version of Eagle, with no

                                          GUI at all. Since you don't need visual feedback for your actions, you don't

                                          need the GUI anyway. You could output the board as image, and see-it with

                                          Paint if you need to see the final result

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                              • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                                HI,

                                 

                                Iv'e read some activity in the last few days, regarding the GERBER VIEWER

                                suggestion, I get the impression that whenever a "SUGGESTION" is made for

                                eagle cad, that there is a lot of negativity! I think that a BUILT IN

                                GERBER VIEWER is a good idea, just like some here said, "do you do a print

                                preview before printing?", of course you do, so why not  PRVIEW CAM files

                                as well, whilst eagle may not make mistakes in the CAM Output , we users

                                make mistakes, especially beginners trying to understand the CAM

                                Processor.

                                 

                                NOW If we had a TAB Interface for each project window such as, eg

                                 

                                PROJECT SUMMARY/SCHEMATIC/SIMULATE/BOM/LAYOUT/CAM/GERBER/3DVIEW/PANELLIZE

                                /MECHANICAL

                                You can implement "TEAR-WAY" tabs as well.

                                 

                                and if we could have a version control for this window,  ( I suggest a

                                pop-up menu), then we could easily switch between version or check

                                differences between version for QA Control.

                                 

                                and if we could open more than one project at a time, so we can EASILY copy

                                and paste ( parts/sub circuits) between projects.

                                 

                                and if we could have a floating TOOLBAR, so only one is displayed,

                                 

                                and if we could have a floating PROPERTIES window to show part attributes

                                etc

                                 

                                and finally if we could have a better LIBRARY browser ! thats more DRAG &

                                DROP compatible, and must be able to "DETAIL VIEW" more than one part at a

                                time.

                                 

                                whats wrong with these suggestions!

                                 

                                If you wish, I could "prototype" (mock-up) some screen layout suggestions"

                                using Real-basic to demonstrate my ideas.

                                 

                                and just so you know I really do like EAGLE CAD for the MAC, but it has so

                                much more potential! I want it to improve all the time!

                                 

                                And last built not least, each window, can have a TEXT DATA ENTRY BOX, so

                                that commands can still be typed in!

                                 

                                Thanks

                                 

                                Dave M

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                                  • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                                     

                                    "davem" <imix@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message

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                                    HI,

                                    >

                                    >

                                    If you wish, I could "prototype" (mock-up) some screen layout suggestions"

                                    using Real-basic to demonstrate my ideas.

                                     

                                    Take a look at Mikropascal/MikroC compillers from Mikroelectronika

                                     

                                    Their GUI will make 90% of what I wish Eagle GUI to do.

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                                      davem wrote:

                                       

                                      >Iv'e read some activity in the last few days, regarding the GERBER VIEWER

                                      >suggestion, I get the impression that whenever a "SUGGESTION" is made for

                                      >eagle cad, that there is a lot of negativity! I think that a BUILT IN

                                       

                                      "whenever" is definitely not true. Lots of suggestions are undisputed.

                                       

                                      I'm simply a "one job one tool" advocate. Gerber viewers exist, file

                                      managers exist. Bloatware sucks.

                                       

                                      I prefer additions improving my working efficiency or the quality of

                                      the designs.

                                       

                                      If you ask for frills, the important improvements might be delayed.

                                       

                                      Oliver

                                       

                                        • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                                          davem wrote

                                          whenever a "SUGGESTION" is made for eagle cad, that there is a lot of

                                          negativity!

                                           

                                          So everyone should just agree with all suggestions, no matter how silly?

                                          Of course people will have different opinions, and they have a right to

                                          voice them.  It's important for CadSoft to see what lots of people want

                                          versus just a few.

                                           

                                          Oliver Betz wrote

                                          Gerber viewers exist, file managers exist. Bloatware sucks.

                                           

                                          I prefer additions improving my working efficiency or the quality of

                                          the designs.

                                           

                                          If you ask for frills, the important improvements might be delayed.

                                           

                                          Exactly.  I couldn't have said it better myself.

                                           

                                          davem wrote

                                          whats wrong with these suggestions!

                                           

                                          They distract CadSoft from making Eagle better in more useful areas.

                                          Nothing is free.  If you ask them to do one thing, you are implicitly

                                          asking them not to do another.  This is why many people are so "negative"

                                          when someone asks for frills.

                                           

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                                            • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                                               

                                              "Olin Lathrop" <eagle@embedinc.com> wrote in message

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                                              They distract CadSoft from making Eagle better in more useful areas.

                                              Nothing is free.  If you ask them to do one thing, you are implicitly

                                              asking them not to do another.  This is why many people are so "negative"

                                              when someone asks for frills.

                                               

                                              Name one thing on this world, which works well without feedback. Even human

                                              evolution is a system with feedback.

                                               

                                              User suggestions worth as much as user complains for a developer who cares

                                              for its product

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                        • Re: Include a Gerber Viewer for EAGLE CAD

                                          Hi Oliver,

                                           

                                          As I said Negativity!

                                           

                                          What are the "IMPORTANT" Improvements that you can see are needed?

                                           

                                          To me the LIBRARY SUCKS!, Its a pain to use.needs an overhaul! I know how

                                          to use it but I don't like it! I get lost too easily! there are much more

                                          MODERN ways of managing libraries!

                                           

                                          Whats wrong with viewing 2 boards or schematics at the same Time?

                                          especially different versions of the same board!

                                           

                                          Whats wrong with viewing a PROPER BOM in realtime compared to exporting and

                                          manipulating in some other application? mistakes are more often made in

                                          software thats not integrated. its also extra work!

                                           

                                          A good example of well designed software is DVD STUDIO PRO from apple! take

                                          a look.

                                           

                                          regards

                                           

                                          Dave M

                                           

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