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      • 60. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
        mpulliam

        I sent an email to MG Electronics asking for a schematic, but I doubt they will respond as they have been unresponsive so far.

        • 61. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
          jw0752

          A schematic could make all the difference.

          • 62. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
            mpulliam

            I also got in the analog multimeter like you have.  I still need to test the capacitors....

            • 63. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
              jw0752

              That is excellent news. The first thing that I want you to do once you get it set up is to put it on the Ohms RX1 scale. Next take your digital meter set to volts and read the voltage across the probes from the analog meter. Note which of the two analog probes your red digital meter probe is on when it indicates a positive voltage. We are determining the polarity of the voltage that is being used by the analog meter. It may not correspond to the colors of the leads. For example on my analog meter the black lead actually has the positive polarity. Let me know if the black or the red lead of the analog meter has the positive voltage so  are testing with the analog meter I can better understand what is going on. Use the analog meter to go back and test the 1N5402 Diodes. You should find that the meter needle will deflect towards zero when the positive lead of the analog meter is on the side of the diode that is away from the marker line and it will not deflect when the probes are reversed. This is the indication of a good diode.

               

              John

              • 64. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
                mpulliam

                I'll be able to get to that on Monday.

                 

                I just heard back from the CEO of https://www.professormotor.com/  where I purchased the unit.  They said that MG Electronics had refused to honor returns and warranties on over 100 hundred units that they had purchased.  He has no details on the schematic but said 'most power supplies of this type fail by the output transistor or the rectifiers going bad.'  He will scour the shop and look for potential parts.

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                • 65. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
                  mpulliam

                  Well this didn't take too long.  I have to cross the leads to get positive voltage (black/negative digital MM to red/positive analog MM and red/positive digital mm to black/negative analog MM)

                   

                  My first test I was the top left diode and it deflected immediately and then went back to zero and stayed there. It repeated tested at zero as did the rest of the diodes.

                   

                   

                  All diodes tested the same.

                   

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                  • 66. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
                    jw0752

                    That looks good. The leads of the meter have a positive voltage on the Black and a negative voltage on the Red. The meter allows you to apply a 3 volt voltage to any component and the meter tells you whether a current is flowing or not. If you test a large uncharged capacitor and you put the Red lead on the side with the line (negative) and the Black on the positive lead of the capacitor the meter will deflect and then gradually return to zero. This is the effect of the capacitor charging. When it is empty it draws a lot of current and as it fills the current flow lessens, You can also test transistors with the meter . Put the black on the base and move the Red to the collector and emitter. If it is an NPN transistor you will see a nearly equal deflection. Now reverse the leads with the Red on the base and you should see no deflection. There may be a little deflection between the Emitter and Collector depending on the polarity. If the meter deflects all the way this is indication of a short and may indicate a failed transistor. Any full deflection on diodes in both polarities will be a likely bad diode. You can check the smaller capacitors as well. On the smaller capacitors you may need to got to the RX10 or RX100 scales in order to see a small momentary deflection. For testing most components the RX1 scale is the best. If the meter deflects all the way to zero while testing any of the components except an inductor it is a sign of a potential problem. Sometimes it is necessary to take a component out of the circuit but most of the time you can get a pretty good test result right in the circuit.  Do some experimenting and testing of components. Always look at the component in both polarities. Sometimes other components in the circuit will affect your reading in one polarity more than the other. Good luck and ask questions as needed. If I had to go on a service call and I could take only one instrument with me it would be the little analog meter.

                     

                    John

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                    • 67. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
                      mpulliam

                      Everything I've tested looks good, but I haven't gone through and tested procedurally, so must have missed something or I'm testing incorrectly. 

                       

                      I got in touch with MG Electronics.  They just buy these as black boxes from China and resell - no schematic available. Service guy said he's never opened one up.  He suggested to follow the voltage from the outlet to the front of the unit and vice-versa.   Maybe it could be the front terminals and to test for voltage from the inside, and to test the potentiometer on the output.  Other than that, could be just some small component that went out somewhere down the line...

                       

                      M

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                      • 68. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
                        jw0752

                        Hi Matt,

                         

                        I would like to have you test the potentiometer on the front. With the power turned off, use the resistance setting on the digital meter and test the resistance from the two outside terminals. Next put one probe on an outside and middle terminal and slowly turn the control from one end to the other. You should see a gradual change from zero to the reading that you got on the two outside terminals.

                         

                        Next let's measure voltages on the LM741 integrated circuits. Turn on the unit. Turn the potentiometer of the unit fully CCW. Put your digital meter on volts. Place the black probe on pin 4 Take voltage readings on each of the other pins 1,2,3,5,6,7,8 and write them down. Now turn the potentiometer fully CW and repeat the taking of voltages. Do this for each of the two LM 741 ICs.

                         

                        Let me know what the voltages are and I will try to interpret them. Remember the numbering of the IC pins as described in a previous post.

                         

                        John

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                        • 69. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
                          jw0752

                          One more thing to check. There are a lot of brown disk capacitors on the main board. Use the GMT analog meter set on RX1 and test across each of the capacitors when the power is off. You may see some needle movement. We are looking for situation when the needle deflects all the way to zero ohms.

                           

                          John

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                          • 70. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
                            mpulliam

                            Here are the diode tests. Notice I set the R value to X10

                             

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                            • 71. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
                              mpulliam

                              Here are the brown capacitor tests at X1

                               

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                              • 72. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
                                mpulliam

                                I tried to test the resistance on the outside terminals with my digital multimeter.  The ohms keep increasing until it gets to 0L.

                                 

                                My guess is that is charging a capacitor that is connected to inside terminals....

                                • 74. Re: Need to get MG Electronics Power Supply repaired...or NOT!?
                                  mpulliam

                                  Here are more photos of the potentiometer, which is the most complex one I have ever seen, wire with two resistors.  Last picture shows the capacitor.

                                   

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