9 Replies Latest reply on Aug 13, 2017 11:54 AM by dougw

    DC motor as generator

    vinceverc

      Hello everyone,
      This question might have been asked somewhere else but I was not able to fand any other posts regarding my question, if there are please link them and i will delete this post, so I don't waste anybody's time.

      I was recently looking into making a generator. I found some glow engines that don't cost alot (I am on a budget) like this one from ali express (I can also buy from other websites, this one just showed up first): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GO-Engine-18th-methanol-engine-3-0CC-Without-Glow-Plug-for-1-10-on-road-Buggy/32804111807.html?spm=2114.search0204.3.287.c3ltkE&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10065_10151_10068_5430020_5410020_10304_10307_10137_10060_10302_10155_10154_5370011_10056_10055_10054_10059_100031_10099_5400020_10103_10102_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_5380020_5390020_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10177_10110_10111_5420020_10112_10113_10114_10312_10313_10314_10315_10078_10079_10073,searchweb201603_16,ppcSwitch_5_ppcChannel&btsid=982ac520-824a-4967-816b-8c0d979ee8e4&algo_expid=9ff6c1ab-f534-4c27-94b5-31bdddab7c71-39&algo_pvid=9ff6c1ab-f534-4c27-94b5-31bdddab7c71

       

      And I was looking around for a dc motor But I don't know which one to pick. Should i be brushed or brushless? What rpm? what voltage? what amp rating? I heard some motors generate AC and others dc?

      I am looking to power something like a buck boost converter to charge 5v things (like phones or camping lights... etc).
      Will it provide enough power for these appliances?

       

       

      Thanks in advance.

      Vince

        • Re: DC motor as generator
          jw0752

          Hi Vince,

           

          If you are doing this project for the fun of building a motorized generator then you should proceed but from your question and description it sounds like you may have a difficult path. A motor will generate electricity if it is turned by a source of power such as a gasoline engine if it is of the proper design. Permanent magnet motors would probably be the best choice as you would not have to energize a field coil on the motor. If your goal is to have an independent source of electricity then I would look for a small or used generator and by pass all the hassle trying to integrate engines and motors to do things they are not really designed to do. For example you will need some way to regulate the voltage output of the motor (turned generator) and you will need some way to regulate the RPM of the engine. If you can find a small commercial electric generator then the pieces will all be designed and fitted to do the job of generating electricity and you will have the proper voltage to attach your electronic devices and loads without the need of more converters.

           

          John

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            • Re: DC motor as generator
              vinceverc

              Thank you for the quick answer, this project is mainly for fun. Because I am interested in electricity and engines. I was just wondering would a step up/ step down voltage regulator do the trick for having a stable voltage?
              PS: Like I said it is just for fun, but I might use it once or twice if something evere were to happen with the electricity in our street ( for example if there is a local power outtage to charge a phone (directly of the 5 volt regulator I suppose).

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                • Re: DC motor as generator
                  jw0752

                  Hi Vince,

                  I would look at the motors that get used in the hover boards or motorized chairs or other large toys. I do not have any personal experience with doing what you want to do but these seem like they would be a good match for the engine you were looking at. If you can produce 12 to 24 volts DC you should be able to use Buck - Boost converters to get where you want to go with voltage and yes they will afford pretty good regulation over a range of input voltages. If you just want to experiment then you could down size to a smaller engine and motor. I would also recommend a continued search of the web as this has got to have been done by others and their experience would be valuable.

                  John

              • Re: DC motor as generator
                jw0752

                Hi Vince,

                 

                Here is an example of what I am talking about:

                 

                https://www.amazon.com/PowerPro-56101-Starting-Portable-Generator/dp/B00J261PGQ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1502551377&sr=8-5&keywords=Generator

                 

                You can probably find used ones like this for not much more that the cost of the engine you were looking at.

                 

                John

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                    balearicdynamics

                    In past I had one to power the lights when doing out door photo sessions with models. These cheap versions are very bad controlling the fuel engine RPM and consequently the output power is so unstable to broke any kind of device as far as I saw. There are well working ones instead like the CAT devices that costs about 10 times

                     

                    By the contrary of what you can imagine, these cheap generators are instead perfect to power battery laptop just because the power does not reach directly the device. If you try to attach a sync flash for photography or a light spot it is a mess.

                     

                    Enrico

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                      • Re: DC motor as generator
                        jw0752

                        Hi Enrico,

                        You make a very good point and it also highlights the likely outcome of building ones own engine motor combo to make a generator. If the inexpensive commercial ones are poorly regulated it is even more likely that a home made combo of hobby engine and motor will be very difficult to regulate and control.

                        John

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                            balearicdynamics

                            True John, but I can suggest something that I have discovered casually some years ago. I owned for some years a Honda CBR 600 (the smallest bike I had ever). One day unexpectedly the battery died, so I replaced with a new one and in one day it died too. Before wasting a third battery I informed what was the cause and I discovered that there is a cheap component (about 20 Euro) regulating the power from the generator to avoid damage to the electrical circuit of the bike, in particular the battery overvoltage. A couple of years ago I found this component reused by a a guy to regulate the power of a gasoline generator built by himself. Maybe this is a good starting point to make some tests and research I suppose. These pieces can be found for few $ used as spare parts.

                             

                            Enrico

                      • Re: DC motor as generator
                        dougw

                        That is a beast of a motor. It can produce over 1300 Watts which is 91 amps at 14.7 Volts - more than enough to charge anything, including car batteries.

                        It could easily run an alternator from a car or motorcycle, but would need to be geared down to 2000 rpm.

                        Gearing and pulleys will likely be your biggest challenge.

                        You probably want a car battery or a LiFePO4 battery to tame the output, followed by a DC-DC converter for your 5 volt requirements.

                        This way you wouldn't need to run the motor very often to charge up the big battery.

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