8 Replies Latest reply on Oct 3, 2019 9:01 PM by hasan2015

    ClassD amplifier for transformer

    hasan2015

      Hi,

      Hope this post find you well.

      My intention is to make an 3-phase power calibrator !

      basic

      Similar to this link, https://us.flukecal.com/products/ele...wer-calibrator

       

      My current AMP design might be class AB type.

       

      I am not worried to much about PWM generation ruther I am thinking how can I move class AB to Class D amplification.

      A lot of the design effort relates to maintaining linearity and avoiding crossover distortion.

      2  amplifiers( current, voltage)  output will feed to CT and PT! Lets consider load will be connected in their output!



      REQUIRMENTS :

       

      1. The amp input  should be  plus and minus 7volt AC, 45-65Hz( 1 Hz has been converted to 1024)

      2. Amp operating voltage should be more or less 24v.

      3. 2 channel signal (not sure PWM) should be use , one for current, one for voltage.

      4.Can run current transformer(input 16.5 V/1.5 A)  and potential Transformer (input15v/2A). PT output may be 15VAC.

      5. If possible both voltage and current amplification is required in one IC.

      6. Both positive and negative half signal should be amplify

        • Re: ClassD amplifier for transformer
          michaelkellett

          TI make a range of class D switching amplifiers which could be used for your application.

           

          The TPA3245 looks quite a good fit for your application - more power than you need so much less likely to fail.

          You'll need extra protection in case the transformer  load is suddenly disconnected.

           

          MK

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            • Re: ClassD amplifier for transformer
              hasan2015

              Dear Sir Michael,

               

              Thnak you to respond here.

              I am also looking for TI IC's.

               

              For sure I will check out TPA3245.

              Now the main issue is,,,

               

              1. Low frequency and high frequency phase shifts caused by a transformer will occur if the transformer is inside the negative feedback loop (when the output of the transformer provides the negative feedback). Then the amplifier must be compensated for these phase shifts.

               

              2.  A product with a Class-D audio power amplifier (APA) driving an output transformer with inadequate low-frequency performance may shut down when its output is stepped from zero to maximum at the start of a sine cycle. Shutdown is triggered by short circuit protection (SCP), after the first half cycle of the sine output. The root cause is saturation of the transformer core.

               

                • Re: ClassD amplifier for transformer
                  michaelkellett

                  Don't even think about putting the transformer in the feedback loop of a single chip class D amplifier - it wasn't designed for this and you will never get is to be stable.

                  You can still compensate for transformer losses by monitoring the output side of the system, or possibly by feedback windings on the transformer - but you will need to accept control of average amplitude rather than instantaneous.

                   

                  Your second problem can be dealt with by ramping the sine wave amplitude.

                   

                  MK

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                    • Re: ClassD amplifier for transformer
                      hasan2015
                      Don't even think about putting the transformer in the feedback loop of a single chip class D amplifier - it wasn't designed for this and you will never get is to be stable.

                       

                      Looking at your suggested TPA3245 evm board,

                       

                      How would you connect such 60Hz step up transformer ?

                      Should it  be H-bridge or BTL !!

                       

                      LC filter is visible here! in my case the primary side impedance is 0.00117ohm.

                      People says , Audio amp can usable for 2- 16ohm load!

                      While it was connected to Class A output , a 10 ohm along with 0.33uF in series RC filter was connected parallay to primary.

                      Looking at the datasheet "Signal Bandwidth up to 100 kHz for High Frequency Content From HD Sources "

                       

                      does it compatible ?

                        • Re: ClassD amplifier for transformer
                          michaelkellett

                          If your primary impedance is 0.0017R then you have the wrong transformer.

                           

                          The TPA3245 will give optimum performance with a load in the impedance range 3 - 15R, you'll get best efficiency with half bridge and paralleled outputs (if the chip supports this mode.) or BTL.

                           

                          (Note: 7V AC which you mention in your original posting into 0.00117R = 41.8kW, but with 10R series resistor only 0.0006W would get into the load - I think your calculations are wrong somewhere,)

                           

                          How much power do you actually want to put into the load, and what is the load impedance.

                           

                          MK

                            • Re: ClassD amplifier for transformer
                              hasan2015
                              If your primary impedance is 0.0017R then you have the wrong transformer

                               

                              Sorry It was just primary winding resistance.

                              0.00117ohm is a dead short. An audio amplifier is designed to drive 4 ohms to 16 ohms.

                              The transformer is 15V with a current of 2A then its impedance is 7.5 ohms.

                              While it was connected to Class AB output , a 10 ohm along with 0.33uF in series RC grounded filter was connected parallay to its primary.

                               

                              The TPA3245 will give optimum performance with a load in the impedance range 3 - 15R, you'll get best efficiency with half bridge and paralleled outputs (if the chip supports this mode.) or BTL

                              I think this user has some  similar problem, https://e2e.ti.com/support/audio/f/6/t/483271

                                • Re: ClassD amplifier for transformer
                                  michaelkellett

                                  Check out the other amps in the TI range - your simplest option is to use single ended mode (only one output series cap needed) but you need a chip where you can have one output made by running two or more in //.

                                   

                                  I don't think you will get the BTL configuration to have a low enough offset.

                                   

                                  MK

                                    • Re: ClassD amplifier for transformer
                                      hasan2015
                                      I don't think you will get the BTL configuration to have a low enough offset.

                                      Driving CT is a problem because ClassD is a voltage source.

                                      Some one said for this application,

                                      "class-D audio amplifier IC is smart. It has current limiting and high temperature shut-down.

                                      But for your electrical application you probably want to select the amount of voltage produced by your current transformer and its shunt resistance.

                                      So select a class-D amplifier IC that produces more current than you need and connect your shunt resistor to its negative feedback input if it has one."

                                       

                                      How about use UCX637 DC motor controller for this issue ?

                                       

                                       

                                      Idea covers here ,https://www.thierry-lequeu.fr/data/SLUA137.pdf