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    Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?

    Autodesk Guest

      I got this email from autodesk:

      |As of January 7th, 2020, Autodesk EAGLE will now be included as a part

      |of a Fusion 360 subscription. All users maintain access to your

      |existing EAGLE software while gaining access to Fusion 360 at no

      |additional charge.

       

      I suspect autodesk is slowly giving up on this business, and that my

      long wanted features never will see the day.

      It is sad for the Eagle community and a huge threshold to climb for

      those of us needing to move to a different software.

       

        • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
          Autodesk Guest

          On 14/01/2020 09:31, Morten Leikvoll wrote:

          I got this email from autodesk:

          |As of January 7th, 2020, Autodesk EAGLE will now be included as a part

          |of a Fusion 360 subscription. All users maintain access to your

          |existing EAGLE software while gaining access to Fusion 360 at no

          |additional charge.

           

          I suspect autodesk is slowly giving up on this business, and that my

          long wanted features never will see the day.

          It is sad for the Eagle community and a huge threshold to climb for

          those of us needing to move to a different software.

           

          I don't think Autodesk are "giving up on" Eagle. However, they are

          fundamentally an MCAD company and only see ECAD through the lens of

          ECAD-MCAD integration, so their vision of the future is that Eagle is a

          small part of the whole product design, whereby you put all your effort

          into perfecting the housing to be wonderfully ergonomic, and, oh, by the

          way, design a bit of electronics to go in it.

           

          I suspect, however, that this does sound the death knell for Eagle for

          me. The thing is, Fusion360 isn't available for Linux, and I can't

          foresee that changing, so the more they integrate the two products, the

          less hope there is for any future Linux versions of Eagle.

           

           

            • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
              dukepro

              On 1/15/20 13:33, Rob Pearce wrote:

               

              I suspect, however, that this does sound the death knell for Eagle for

              me. The thing is, Fusion360 isn't available for Linux, and I can't

              foresee that changing, so the more they integrate the two products,

              the less hope there is for any future Linux versions of Eagle.

               

               

              Rob,  I'm still on v7.7 - the last issue with a perpetual license.

               

              Sticking with v7.7 seems to be a smart move.  I have a lot of IP wrapped

              up in Eagle.  The thought of paying someone else an annual fee to access

              what already belongs to me just doesn't set well.  The prediction at the

              time what that Autodesk would eventually retire Eagle, or go out of

              business, or be bought out by someone who already had ECAD and didn't

              want to support two competing products.

               

              As you pointed out, dropping Linux support is clearly predictable now. 

              One step closer.

               

              As far as the price for Fusion 360 being the same, I wouldn't count on

              that very long.

               

              Enjoy,

                  - Chuck

               

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                • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                  Autodesk Guest

                  Am 16.01.20 um 23:11 schrieb Chuck Huber:

                  On 1/15/20 13:33, Rob Pearce wrote:

                   

                  I suspect, however, that this does sound the death knell for Eagle for

                  me. The thing is, Fusion360 isn't available for Linux, and I can't

                  foresee that changing, so the more they integrate the two products,

                  the less hope there is for any future Linux versions of Eagle.

                   

                   

                  Rob,  I'm still on v7.7 - the last issue with a perpetual license.

                   

                  Sticking with v7.7 seems to be a smart move.  I have a lot of IP wrapped

                  up in Eagle.  The thought of paying someone else an annual fee to access

                  what already belongs to me just doesn't set well.  The prediction at the

                  time what that Autodesk would eventually retire Eagle, or go out of

                  business, or be bought out by someone who already had ECAD and didn't

                  want to support two competing products.

                   

                  As you pointed out, dropping Linux support is clearly predictable now. 

                  One step closer.

                   

                  As far as the price for Fusion 360 being the same, I wouldn't count on

                  that very long.

                   

                  Enjoy,

                      - Chuck

                   

                   

                  Same here — sticking with v7.7 / Linux and eventually investigating

                  future alternatives.  But certainly no rented software ever!

                   

                  — Hans

                   

              • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                Autodesk Guest

                On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 10:31:25 +0100, Morten Leikvoll

                wrote:

                 

                I got this email from autodesk:

                |As of January 7th, 2020, Autodesk EAGLE will now be included as a part

                |of a Fusion 360 subscription. All users maintain access to your

                |existing EAGLE software while gaining access to Fusion 360 at no

                |additional charge.

                 

                I suspect autodesk is slowly giving up on this business, and that my

                long wanted features never will see the day.

                It is sad for the Eagle community and a huge threshold to climb for

                those of us needing to move to a different software.

                 

                From a friend who works at Autodesk.  Eagle as a stand-alone product

                is gone,  Now it's just another module.

                 

                I don't understand continuing to waste time on Eagle from  a company

                which hates it's customers.

                 

                KiCAD is FOSS and vastly superior. CERN is funding the project to the

                extent that there are a couple of full-time developers working on it

                plus the many volunteers.

                 

                KiCAD has a module to import Eagle files.  I tried it on my largest

                board, one with about 450 components.  Imported with no fuss and I

                didn't have to make any corrections.

                 

                I'm on the KiCAD developer's list (I'm NOT a developer. I mostly lurk

                and occasionally offer experience-based advice.

                 

                The newest version is ready for release.  I'm not sure whether it's

                actually out there in the free world.  If not, it will be in a couple

                of weeks.

                 

                The open source hardware community has, for the most part, converted

                to KiCAD.

                 

                Just do it.

                 

                John

                 

                John DeArmond

                http://www.neon-john.com

                http://www.tnduction.com

                Tellico Plains, Occupied TN

                See website for email address

                 

                 

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                  • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                    shabaz

                    autodeskguest  wrote:

                     

                    KiCAD is FOSS and vastly superior.

                     

                    Vastly superior to some perhaps. Lets be honest it's also clunky in a lot of ways, despite the CERN effort for years. I've been trying to learn it for the past few weeks, and there's lots that EAGLE does right that KiCAD doesn't, as far as the user interface goes. EAGLE doesn't try to conform to Windows conventions. It's like the RPN of calculators. I've also been tempted by Pulsonix, because it is written by the same people who did Visula and CadSTAR - the former was spectacularly good, and CadSTAR was pretty good before it got bloated.

                    Anyway, regardless of my criticism, I'm still planning to move off EAGLE to KiCAD - for now. If better software comes along I'll switch to it.

                     

                    KiCAD has a module to import Eagle files.

                    It has a capability to import some EAGLE files. It doesn't import library files, unless that's some feature that's really well hidden.

                    And the various bits of open source out there that people have written as attempts to fix that, are out-of-date because it looks like KiCAD library format changed.

                    As a result, I've been busy writing my own code to interwork with KiCAD library file format..

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                      • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                        Autodesk Guest

                        On 1/02/2020 2:15 pm, shabaz wrote:

                          wrote:

                         

                        KiCAD is FOSS and vastly superior.

                         

                        Vastly superior to some perhaps. Lets be honest it's also clunky in a lot of ways, despite the CERN effort for years. I've been trying to learn it for the past few weeks, and there's lots that EAGLE does right that KiCAD doesn't, as far as the user interface goes. EAGLE doesn't try to conform to Windows conventions. It's like the RPN of calculators. I've also been tempted by Pulsonix, because it is written by the same people who did Visula and CadSTAR - the former was spectacularly good, and CadSTAR was pretty good before it got bloated.

                        Anyway, regardless of my criticism, I'm still planning to move off EAGLE to KiCAD - for now. If better software comes along I'll switch to it.

                         

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                        I will give KICAD a go when I make some time. I need to find some

                        tuition on Kicad native library usage which links symbol and package,

                        like Eagle does, hence you don't need to link them with every design.

                         

                        I saw this referred to in a Kicad project I read about a year ago but

                        have not pursued it further, since.

                         

                        If anyone knows of such an article describing the process I would

                        appreciate knowing of it.

                         

                        Thanks

                        Warren

                         

                         

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                          • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                            Autodesk Guest

                            On 01/02/2020 01:41, warrenbrayshaw wrote:

                             

                            I will give KICAD a go when I make some time. I need to find some

                            tuition on Kicad native library usage which links symbol and package,

                            like Eagle does, hence you don't need to link them with every design.

                             

                            Is that a new feature?

                             

                            To be honest, from what I saw of KiCAD when I tried it, it's a VERY long

                            way from being a patch on Eagle V7, never mind the latest V9.5.2

                             

                            I have a permanent license for V7 so I don't need to downgrade to KiCAD.

                             

                             

                            • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                              shabaz

                              I have not seen that so far, but maybe I've missed it and it is there.

                              However, I' wondering perhaps there is some programmatic way we can do that ourselves via auto-modifying the design files, without modifying any of the KiCAD binaries.

                              I have not started looking at that yet, but began with seeing how to prorammatically create footprints (i.e. packages), mainly so I can continue to use a command line tool to generate them (I did it with EAGLE using custom code: https://github.com/shabaz123/Shabaz-EAGLE-tools  ) and to get familiar with the package file format. I'm going to do it in Python this time, not C. There are already some existing Python libraries for manipulating packages, so I have tried understanding them, and managed to put pads into a package file using code so far, so baby steps.

                               

                              Anyway for the scenario that you mention, I'll try examining where the relationship between symbol and package gets stored per schematic, so that even if KiCAD does not natively support it, perhaps we could have a Python script to run that would auto-associate the symbol to the package, e.g. from a text file of associations.

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                                • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                  Autodesk Guest

                                  On 01/02/2020 10:17, shabaz wrote:

                                  Anyway for the scenario that you mention, I'll try examining where the relationship between symbol and package gets stored per schematic, so that even if KiCAD does not natively support it, perhaps we could have a Python script to run that would auto-associate the symbol to the package, e.g. from a text file of associations.

                                   

                                  I'm not sure I believe I'm saying this, as a Gentoo Linux user and GPSim

                                  developer, but...

                                   

                                  I really have no interest in a tool that I have to write half of myself

                                  just to make it work. Until the KiCAD core developers come round to the

                                  Eagle way of thinking, it's ruled out for me.

                                   

                                    • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                      shabaz

                                      I've given up waiting for that.. I doubt KiCAD developers are going to come around unless they spend time with EAGLE.

                                       

                                      I'm willing to spend an hour or so per week for a few months to see if I feel comfortable enough with it, along with any minor bits of code I create. If I don't feel comfortable at the end of the exercise, so be it. I still have EAGLE.

                                       

                                      I'm a great fan of scripting/coding minor things if it means less messing about with clicking mouse-buttons just to associate symbols with packages.

                                      I had to script minor/code things with EAGLE too.

                                       

                                      Maybe we should start a thread to explore/document the minor things we can do to make KiCAD more friendly to use (from EAGLE users perspective). For example, as soon as it is installed, it needs a config change just to make the scrollable zoom more EAGLE-like. By default the zoom is not EAGLE-like.

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                                    • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                      Autodesk Guest

                                      On 1/02/2020 11:17 pm, shabaz wrote:

                                      I have not seen that so far, but maybe I've missed it and it is there.

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                      I found this article which appears explain what I was referring to.

                                       

                                      Footprints and symbols can be linked.  Looks as if it has some focus in V5

                                       

                                       

                                      https://forum.kicad.info/t/how-can-i-assign-a-footprint-to-a-symbol/8901

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                      HTH

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                                        • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                          shabaz

                                          Hi Warren,

                                           

                                          Thanks for the link.

                                          I explored KiCAD a bit today, and noticed some symbols in the library are already associated with footprints, so that's great that the mechanism exists.

                                          Also, I explored the file formats a little bit, and they are fairly understandable (I didn't think they wouldn't be, but I wanted to get familiar with what they look like).

                                          if I get any further I'll start a different thread (maybe called "EAGLE to KiCAD Experiments" or something) so that the information is more easy to find than on this thread we've hijacked : )

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                                            • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                              Autodesk Guest

                                              On 3/02/2020 10:09 am, shabaz wrote:

                                              Hi Warren,

                                               

                                              Thanks for the link.

                                              I explored KiCAD a bit today, and noticed some symbols in the library are already associated with footprints, so that's great that the mechanism exists.

                                              Also, I explored the file formats a little bit, and they are fairly understandable (I didn't think they wouldn't be, but I wanted to get familiar with what they look like).

                                              if I get any further I'll start a different thread (maybe called "EAGLE to KiCAD Experiments" or something) so that the information is more easy to find than on this thread we've hijacked : )

                                               

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                                              It's a good idea to start a new thread but I'll add a little more here

                                              to clarify/correct what I wrote earlier.

                                               

                                              Here is a new link to a document titled "KiCad Library Convention"

                                              https://kicad-pcb.org/libraries/klc/

                                               

                                              Within it there is a section "Fully specified symbols"/

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              That term "Atomic part" is the term I did not get correct earlier.

                                               

                                              Then it says "The official library requires fully specified symbols

                                              except for a small number of libraries that contain only generic symbols."

                                               

                                              So Kicad has transitioned to a library model similar to Eagle

                                               

                                              I suspect a ULP should be able to convert our personal Eagle libraries

                                              to atomic parts.

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              HTH

                                              Warren

                                               

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                                              • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                Autodesk Guest

                                                On 2/2/2020 22:09, shabaz wrote:

                                                Hi Warren,

                                                 

                                                Thanks for the link.

                                                I explored KiCAD a bit today, and noticed some symbols in the library are already associated with footprints, so that's great that the mechanism exists.

                                                Also, I explored the file formats a little bit, and they are fairly understandable (I didn't think they wouldn't be, but I wanted to get familiar with what they look like).

                                                if I get any further I'll start a different thread (maybe called "EAGLE to KiCAD Experiments" or something) so that the information is more easy to find than on this thread we've hijacked : )

                                                 

                                                 

                                                I am starting to think this forum may not survive for long. Maybe there

                                                should be an official ex-eagle users forum available to old timers?

                                                Maybe there exist a kicad thread?

                                                 

                                                  • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                    Autodesk Guest

                                                    Am 03.02.2020 um 10:21 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

                                                     

                                                    I am starting to think this forum may not survive for long. Maybe there

                                                    should be an official ex-eagle users forum available to old timers?

                                                    Maybe there exist a kicad thread?

                                                     

                                                    Hi Morten,

                                                    I fear too about the survival.

                                                     

                                                    I recently checked out my earlier contacts, but most of them working at

                                                    institutes. Eagle central is off (imho). The only site active I found is

                                                    bob starr. Question is if he would do it and if it suits the other old

                                                    timers?

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                                                      • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                        Autodesk Guest

                                                        On 2/3/2020 13:29, Joern Paschedag wrote:

                                                        Am 03.02.2020 um 10:21 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

                                                        Hi Morten,

                                                        I fear too about the survival.

                                                         

                                                        I recently checked out my earlier contacts, but most of them working at

                                                        institutes. Eagle central is off (imho). The only site active I found is

                                                        bob starr. Question is if he would do it and if it suits the other old

                                                        timers?

                                                         

                                                        Ok, I took the liberty to start a new slack team called eagle_oldtimers

                                                        just to test the interest. If no interest is shown, I can just delete

                                                        the team later.

                                                         

                                                        For nonprofit use, wich I think an independant chat is, this is a free

                                                        service, but unfortunately limited file and log storage. I use it for

                                                        other stuff and find it easy to use and easy to access over web

                                                        (eagle_oldtimers.slack.com) or apps for most platforms.

                                                         

                                                        Also, this is an invite only chat service so you'd have to be invited

                                                        via your email, so if you want to join in, drop your email in this

                                                        thread, or email me with the subject "eagle_oldtimers" (remove the

                                                        "spam" part of the email adr)

                                                         

                                                        official eagle representatives are welcome too, altho we should try to

                                                        keep the non profit terms of use.

                                                         

                                                         

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                                                          • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                            Autodesk Guest

                                                            Am 04.02.2020 um 11:01 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

                                                            On 2/3/2020 13:29, Joern Paschedag wrote:

                                                            Am 03.02.2020 um 10:21 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

                                                            Hi Morten,

                                                            I fear too about the survival.

                                                             

                                                            I recently checked out my earlier contacts, but most of them working

                                                            at institutes. Eagle central is off (imho). The only site active I

                                                            found is bob starr. Question is if he would do it and if it suits the

                                                            other old timers?

                                                             

                                                            Ok, I took the liberty to start a new slack team called eagle_oldtimers

                                                            just to test the interest. If no interest is shown, I can just delete

                                                            the team later.

                                                             

                                                            For nonprofit use, wich I think an independant chat is, this is a free

                                                            service, but unfortunately limited file and log storage. I use it for

                                                            other stuff and find it easy to use and easy to access over web

                                                            (eagle_oldtimers.slack.com) or apps for most platforms.

                                                             

                                                            Also, this is an invite only chat service so you'd have to be invited

                                                            via your email, so if you want to join in, drop your email in this

                                                            thread, or email me with the subject "eagle_oldtimers" (remove the

                                                            "spam" part of the email adr)

                                                             

                                                            official eagle representatives are welcome too, altho we should try to

                                                            keep the non profit terms of use.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            Hi Morten,

                                                            nice to give it a try.

                                                             

                                                            My email: jpaschedag@t-online.de

                                                             

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                                                            • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                              dukepro

                                                              Good morning, Morten,

                                                               

                                                              I'll give it a shot.  Do they have an NNTP server?  Or strictly web based?

                                                               

                                                              Thanks,

                                                                  - Chuck

                                                               

                                                              On 2/4/20 05:01, Morten Leikvoll wrote:

                                                              ...

                                                              Ok, I took the liberty to start a new slack team called

                                                              eagle_oldtimers just to test the interest. If no interest is shown, I

                                                              can just delete the team later.

                                                               

                                                               

                                            • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                              sjmill01

                                              I moved off KiCAD to Eagle once it integrated with Autodesk Fusion 360.  It makes for an even quicker build.  I never have a PCB that doesn't need an enclosure.  So, their approach eliminates a lot of measuring and rework.  It very much streamlines the design workflow.

                                               

                                              As far as I can tell, its still free for students, hobbyists, and educators.

                                               

                                              -Sean

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                                                • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                  shabaz

                                                  EAGLE's great, unfortunately I'm beyond the free limit (for layers and size) and while I don't mind paying for software, for me I'd rather look elsewhere at that price. It works out to $1500 if I commit for three years (or $2500 pay-monthly) and PCB design isn't my career. For that cost, I can either use EAGLE, or put that money toward some vocational course to further my career down any path.

                                                  Also at this cost it is the same ballpark to rent CAD software used by large enterprises, e.g. Mentor Graphics or OrCAD. The free tier is fantastic though for those able to use it though.

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                                                  • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
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                                                    Am 01.02.2020 um 19:26 schrieb Sean Miller:

                                                    I moved off KiCAD to Eagle once it integrated with Autodesk Fusion 360.  It makes for an even quicker build.  I never have a PCB that doesn't need an enclosure.  So, there approach eliminates a lot of measuring and rework for me.  It very much streamlines the design workflow.

                                                     

                                                    As far as I can tell, its still free for students, hobbyists, and educators.

                                                     

                                                    -Sean

                                                     

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                                                    That doesn't work for me. I need a pro version that doesn't stick on

                                                    internet. And I don't want a rental license.

                                                     

                                                    I run eagle on windows but if win runs out of support I shall not

                                                    upgrade to win 10.

                                                    I shall go with Linux then and my eagle-6.6 will still run on

                                                     

                                                    I have tried KICAD but.... well read the former posts and import of

                                                    eagle files is not so flawless as pointed out by some people.

                                                     

                                                    I read that Fusion360 is not running on Linux. What about Mac?

                                                     

                                                    I have a question to the fellas here: what eagle version are you running

                                                    now?

                                                     

                                                     

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                                                      • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                        Autodesk Guest

                                                        On 02/02/2020 07:57, Joern Paschedag wrote:

                                                         

                                                        I read that Fusion360 is not running on Linux. What about Mac?

                                                         

                                                        I believe it does run on Mac. Some people claim it works on Linux under

                                                        Wine but I'm not going to go down that route.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        I have a question to the fellas here: what eagle version are you running

                                                        now?

                                                         

                                                        I have V5.12, V7.7 and V9.5.2 (and a couple of others as legacy from the

                                                        CAM processor fiasco at V8.6)

                                                         

                                                        V7 has a standard license, which allows V5 to be used in that mode, too.

                                                         

                                                          • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                            Autodesk Guest

                                                            Am 02.02.2020 um 09:41 schrieb Rob Pearce:

                                                            On 02/02/2020 07:57, Joern Paschedag wrote:

                                                             

                                                            I read that Fusion360 is not running on Linux. What about Mac?

                                                             

                                                            I believe it does run on Mac. Some people claim it works on Linux under

                                                            Wine but I'm not going to go down that route.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            I have a question to the fellas here: what eagle version are you

                                                            running now?

                                                             

                                                            I have V5.12, V7.7 and V9.5.2 (and a couple of others as legacy from the

                                                            CAM processor fiasco at V8.6)

                                                             

                                                            V7 has a standard license, which allows V5 to be used in that mode, too.

                                                             

                                                            I have 5.12 too and for some verrry old Friends I can run 4.16R2 all

                                                            versions are pro.

                                                            I did not go to 7.7 because I saw not a good relation between money and

                                                            value, but what upset me was the EULA.

                                                             

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                                                          • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                            Autodesk Guest

                                                            On 2/2/2020 8:57, Joern Paschedag wrote:

                                                             

                                                            I have a question to the fellas here: what eagle version are you running

                                                            now?

                                                             

                                                            I'm running 7.7 (got 3 full licenses).

                                                            The stuff I do on 7.7 is probably off the edge of what Eagle can do, but

                                                            thanks to some self made scripting, it really does the job pretty well

                                                            for the price. Not to mention all the offloaded running cost worries..

                                                            Because of the stuff I do is not easy to port to KiCad (afaict),

                                                            switching is not an issue, atleast not until Kicad can do proper layer

                                                            stack config and width/spacing adjustments for high speed impedance

                                                            matched diff routing.

                                                            My latest Eagle project does both large DDR4 banks and quite a lot of

                                                            5.4G displayport routing pretty well.

                                                             

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                                                        • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                          dubbie

                                                          I have been thinking it is about time I bit the bullet and got to grips with some modern (free) PCB design package. I have used Proteus a few years ago but that is not free. I have downloaded a version of Eagle a couple of years ago now when I first retired but could not get to grips with it then. Now I want to make accustom PCB for my walking robot herd project (stripboard just isn't effective enough plus I will want several).

                                                           

                                                          Having read through all these comments I now do not know whether to put that effort into Eagle or KiCAD. I'm not a professional user, or experienced, I just want something that will enable me to make relatively simple small PCBs without too much effort. Maybe I'll try out KiCAD before making a decision.

                                                           

                                                          Dubbie

                                                            • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                              shabaz

                                                              Hi Dubbie,

                                                               

                                                              For a hobbyist if you think you won't exceed the EAGLE limits (80cm2, and 2-layer) then EAGLE is great. However, even if you only want to exceed that size occasionally, then you're stuck with paying £54 for the month you exceed that limit, with the current EAGLE version. I wrote 4 blogs on element14 last year that had PCBs that exceeded that size limit, so I would have had to spend £216 last year ($285) if I worked on each project in a different month. I get by with an older EAGLE release which is permanently licensed, but I do wish to have some more recent features now.

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                                                              • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                                genebren

                                                                Dubbie,

                                                                 

                                                                Ditto on shabaz comments.  I have been using Eagle for 15+ years now (more that 150 boards and many updates/revisions).  I has it quirks and strangeness, but it has been a useful and trusty companion.  I am currently using 7.6 standard edition (160mm x 100mm, 4 layers, permanent license), which has served be well and I have absolutely no interest in updating or switching to another package.

                                                                 

                                                                Gene

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                                                                  • Re: Did autodesk fold in on Eagle?
                                                                    Autodesk Guest

                                                                    Am 02.02.2020 um 17:47 schrieb Gene Breniman:

                                                                    Dubbie,

                                                                     

                                                                    Ditto on shabaz comments.  I have been using Eagle for 15+ years now (more that 150 boards and many updates/revisions).  I has it quirks and strangeness, but it has been a useful and trusty companion.  I am currently using 7.6 standard edition (160mm x 100mm, 4 layers, permanent license), which has served be well and I have absolutely no interest in updating or switching to another package.

                                                                     

                                                                    Gene

                                                                     

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                                                                    Hi Dubbie,

                                                                    I'm in some other forums also and there are people looking to buy

                                                                    permanent licenses (even older ones). So far no one is going to  sell

                                                                    his permanent license.

                                                                    So if I were in your situation I would go to KICAD.

                                                                     

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                                                                    Joern Paschedag

                                                                     

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